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This is my favourite topic
Posted March 30, 2019
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Microfishd: Does this mean that I am an idiot & mafia want me to live for said reason? Hmm.
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dedoporno: I assume you're implying I'm mafia and this is my agenda towards you. I'm a hero. I don't want you to live because you're an idiot but because I feel you're one as well. I don't know if you're an idiot as this is the first time we're playing together. I hope the answers to these question become clear with time.

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Microfishd: I now know what ISO'ing means, but I am not quite sure how one goes about it, other than with wordpad or a similar editor available for cutting large bodies of text without the formatting errors that notepad is so very fond of. If it is a result of the greasemonkey plugin, I will pass on it for now. I have tampermonkey, and from what I have read, most GM scripts work in TM, and this did not seem to do so. Idk.
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dedoporno: If you're referring to Adalia's plugin - it does work. I've used it for as long as it's been available and I just installed it now on my new machine (on Tampermonkey on Chrome).a

While on that topic I figured out what was wrong - I installed Barefoot Essentials via Tampermonkey without knowing that I already had the native chrome plugin and both version started overlap themselves and double everything.

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Microfishd: What does this term mean?
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dedoporno: One scum publicly accusing and sometimes even taking part in lynching their teammate (most often when they were already partially or fully exposed) to try and gain distance from them and town credit.

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Microfishd: Again, is a vote just to vote worse than not voting at all?
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dedoporno: To some extent yes. Voting locks your intention publicly and makes you liable for what you're doing/saying in addition. You're basically putting your money where your mouth is and you can be held accountable for it later on.

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Microfishd: The sentence is death by lynching.
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dedoporno: Or unmasking :)

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PookaMustard: If he turns up scum, we'll have quite a lynch, and if turns up to be Town, at least we get the message through that lurking is BAD for Town.
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dedoporno: Yes, but it's still a bummer as we don't gain anything new to work with. As for the passing the message - sounds good, doesn't work. Lurkers will be lurkers and getting lynched hasn't really changed the mind of people who tend to do it.

It's more likely Fran is town and if that turns out to be true we'll be Groundhog daying as Tomorrow we'll be in the exact same situation as we are in now, just 2 townies shorter. Not ideal. I really hope something happens on that front before we hit the deadline.
While I think you are Town, ss ZFR pointed out, no scum could admit to being not-town if they wanted to live. Therefore, i shall take your response to my bad attempt at a joke a near face-value. I hope your opinion of me doesn't change for the worse during this game. :D

Thank you for the info re Barefoot Essentials etc. I appreciate it!

Thank you also for the explanation of the term. I had looked it up, but not seen a definition.

i appreciate the advice/answer, Dedo & Lift. I will make doubly-sure of my sureness before voting in the future.

There is no real difference between unmasking & lynching, is there?


Thank you @trentonlf for the explanation! I appreciate it!

I'm glad you're back @korotan! We really mean no harm by anything said inside this game.
Posted March 30, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Hello, sorry I've been plagued by splitting headaches this week. Reading large passages of text is un-fun but I just realised it's been a couple of days and I haven't checked the thread. Sorry for my absence. Am I right in thinking the deadline is sunday?
Has anything crazy happened or just the usual Scene pretending to quote his PM? :P
Sorry to hear that, SPF. I know how miserable headaches can make life.

That being said, I think, yes, the deadline is Sunday
Which reminds me!


Deadline in FIVE days (ish) (Sunday(ish)
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@HSL
I'm sorry, I hope everything turns out well with the testing and all, and that the cause of whatever is going on is not serious.

I would agree that votes need to be in bold and a separate line (and maybe using the format "@mod vote XYZ") just to clear things up. To ease confusion, a vote should not count if it is not in bold.
I also hope that both of you--@HSL & @trent, will continue to play & enjoy this game. It wouldn't be the same without you two.

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Unfortunately, Sundays are bad for me (I'm often AFK) except for pieces of 1-6AM & 6-10 PM GMT, @ZFR
Posted March 30, 2019
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HypersomniacLive: Wait... did you retroactively add supplemente's "Shoots Blotunga" in post #68 as a valid vote, because he came back 70+ posts later and told you he meant it as one? Seriously?
I'm not encouraging anybody to actively attemtp to mess with the vote format - it'll be much easier for me if we stick to putting votes on a new line and bolding them and calling them 'votes'. But it seemed petty to insist that scene was voting for SirPrimalform after he made it clear he believed he was voting for blotunga. And I had said I would do my best to respect the intention of the player.

But yeah - if we stick to the format it mqkes it easier for everybody. Don't try to be clever.


I'm looking for someone to replace Fran. Likely the deadline will change.
Posted March 30, 2019
unvote Fran67
Posted March 30, 2019
Hm. Closing in on the original deadline. No clue when the new deadline is and we are far from any semblance of concord. My main suspects haven't changed yet. Could everyone who hasn't stated their preferred lynch targets yet please do so and also give reasons why those persons are their main suspects?
Posted March 30, 2019
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Microfishd: As it is now Friday, and we have limited time left with which to make a choice, I say:

ZFR is suspicious and yet is too interesting to lynch atm, and has been providing some interesting thoughts. My earlier, now-rescinded vote for him was somewhat characterized by being based upon logic which was in turn based upon slim evidence--and a whole lot of gut feeling.

In Contrast:

SirPrimal has only made explanatory(-to-newbs) or joking posts, ad hasn't really provided serious content attacking one or another. As--from what others say--this seems to me to be very out-of-character for him, I say we should not take a chance on someone who is acting so out-of-the-ordinary.

NOW THEREFORE, let it be known to all that I, Micro Fist, one of the Front-line [and thus Elite] Members of the Saviours of the World [Kudos to @JoeSapphire for spelling "saviour" correctly], having changed out of my action-leotard of green into my dress-uniform & disguise of a double-breasted navy suit, not having acted hastily, frivolously, light-heartedly, or without deep contemplation, but instead acting out of reason, lack of time, and upon my best hunch, gut feeling, and/or educated guess do hereby solemnly, firmly, formally, with a full sense of the importance, weight and awful responsibility which rests upon our shoulders to punish the guilty and to protect the innocent, with sorrow for the innocents who have already suffered, and with a deep sense of sadness and shame that some members of our tight-knit squad could be guilty of the High Crime of TREASON, do hereby proclaim, charge, and declare in the sight of God and of all these witnesses:

@mod Vote Serpent Rime, who is commonly known as SirPrimalform.

The sentence is death by lynching.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, in this the year of our Lord [unintelligible bit here]
Wait a minute! I object to British spelling. it's Savior in American, so there! And I vote to lynch Micro Fist for saying Americans can't spell (even if it's true). Don't make me go frantic here.
Posted March 30, 2019
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Microfishd: As it is now Friday, and we have limited time left with which to make a choice, I say:

ZFR is suspicious and yet is too interesting to lynch atm, and has been providing some interesting thoughts. My earlier, now-rescinded vote for him was somewhat characterized by being based upon logic which was in turn based upon slim evidence--and a whole lot of gut feeling.

In Contrast:

SirPrimal has only made explanatory(-to-newbs) or joking posts, ad hasn't really provided serious content attacking one or another. As--from what others say--this seems to me to be very out-of-character for him, I say we should not take a chance on someone who is acting so out-of-the-ordinary.

NOW THEREFORE, let it be known to all that I, Micro Fist, one of the Front-line [and thus Elite] Members of the Saviours of the World [Kudos to @JoeSapphire for spelling "saviour" correctly], having changed out of my action-leotard of green into my dress-uniform & disguise of a double-breasted navy suit, not having acted hastily, frivolously, light-heartedly, or without deep contemplation, but instead acting out of reason, lack of time, and upon my best hunch, gut feeling, and/or educated guess do hereby solemnly, firmly, formally, with a full sense of the importance, weight and awful responsibility which rests upon our shoulders to punish the guilty and to protect the innocent, with sorrow for the innocents who have already suffered, and with a deep sense of sadness and shame that some members of our tight-knit squad could be guilty of the High Crime of TREASON, do hereby proclaim, charge, and declare in the sight of God and of all these witnesses:

@mod Vote Serpent Rime, who is commonly known as SirPrimalform.

The sentence is death by lynching.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, in this the year of our Lord [unintelligible bit here]
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Fran67: Wait a minute! I object to British spelling. it's Savior in American, so there! And I vote to lynch Micro Fist for saying Americans can't spell (even if it's true). Don't make me go frantic here.
Ah, he lives. Use bolded sentences to vote. Easier to make sure what you mean.
Posted March 30, 2019
Well, there were a few too many emergencies at the hospital, and I was shifted to tomorrow for the most part.

And I was going to say that since I'd started to be in the same camp as dedoporno, I'm very glad to see that mod action's been taken regarding Fran67, and that the change of deadline sits pretty well with me, only to see that they finally made an appearance. With what appears to be a joke-post, and an RVS vote? At the eve of the original deadline? Eh...

Which now makes me wonder - no offence, are they still in, and are they exempt from the requirement of posting at least once every couple of days?

Good to see that Korotan is sticking with the game, I hope that they'll be a bit more active in the days to come.


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trentonlf: I agree with Hyper on the vote issue. If votes can be counted at a later point that are not bolded and were not counted before I’m not sure I want to participate in the game. It’s not hard to bold a vote and it detracts from the game when they are not.
It's not just the bolded part, it's using whatever term before a player's name, and the mod retroactively counting it as a vote because it was requested at a later point by the one that did it.

Case in point:

supplementscene in his post #68:
Oh and Shoots Blotunga because OMGUS
blotunga replied in post #69 with:
Yea, you OMGUSed me last time too. Well, if you want I can follow up on that too:
Sprays scene with ink
There.
ZFR requested a vote count in post #78 saying:
I want to see if blotunga's and scene's count.
The mod made a vote count in post #79. Neither one was counted.

Then supplementscene came back in post #102 and said to JoeSapphire:
I changed mine to Blotunga but didn't unkill SPF.
Both ZFR and me told him that it doesn't count. But now, in the latest vote count, it's added as a valid vote.



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JoeSapphire: I'm not encouraging anybody to actively attemtp to mess with the vote format - it'll be much easier for me if we stick to putting votes on a new line and bolding them and calling them 'votes'. But it seemed petty to insist that scene was voting for SirPrimalform after he made it clear he believed he was voting for blotunga. And I had said I would do my best to respect the intention of the player.

But yeah - if we stick to the format it mqkes it easier for everybody. Don't try to be clever. [...]
My point is that if you had made it a clear cut hard rule from the beginning, like it's been in all the games I've played, we wouldn't be in this situation now.

And frankly, I don't quite see why you're having so much trouble enforcing a hard rule on the matter; you're the mod.

I'll leave a couple of further points for post game.


Off to properly check the thread, be back in a while.
Posted March 30, 2019
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supplementscene: [...] in Mafia we're supposed to analyse peoples voting intentions to get whether they're genuine or not. [...]
Good point; where's your analysis and contribution to the game?


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supplementscene: [...] because we're active players. [...]
*looks at supplementscene's grand total of three posts out of almost 190 thread-posts*

Yeah well, you and I must have very different definitions of active player.



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blotunga: @Hyper: in post #102 scene clearly says that the shoots blotunga was a vote intended for me. [...]
That's true, however my question had an additional purpose, as you didn't leave it at just that in your post #117 [emphasis added]:

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blotunga: [...] And it does seem that scene is voting me, so he contradicts himself, as usal. [...]
Given that it's now the third game (fourth? don't know if you were also in the off-site one) you and supplementscene play together, do you think you're a "newbie" in his eyes?


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blotunga: [...] As for the Pooka question, he instantly jumped on the wagon after zfr, Lift and Korotan.

He changed the vote later, though.

Anyway it was my initial analysis, please don't make an elephant out of an ant.
All I'm trying to do is follow your thought process, and see if there are any inconsistencies; I'm a firm believer of "the devil's in the details".

Having said that, I see that we have a misunderstanding due to the wording of your post #60. I've been questioning you about your comment on PookaMustard jumping on "that" being related to ZFR and him deviating from his RNG RVS voting, but putting your posts #60 and #146 together, I see you didn't mean it that way.


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blotunga: Seriously though, keep in mind what the guys wrote, it's just a game. It's ok to dirty talk people in the game, call them stupid etc, but in the end, we all part as friends, no matter if we won or lost.
[emphasis added]

I strongly disagree with this. One should attack people's arguments, and that can be done with aggressiveness and even sarcasm without resorting to wording that, even if unintentionally, attacks the person that has made said arguments. I've been at the receiving end of some very nasty stuff, and I assure you that it's no fun, nor is it easy to overlook it and go on as if those words hadn't been addressed to you.



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Microfishd: [...] >>His post 45 is a probe

It is very interesting, and it seriously lacks content. To me, this is a "leans negative."

>>then he was helpful
Again, it seemed innocent enough in context--especially considering that all here have been very nice to new players; yet seems to me to perhaps be "filler" content, or what I'll mention later with regards to Trent. Here, I have no opinion. [...]
Thanks. To put things in perspective, the reason I asked you was to see where you stand; talking game mechanics and setup instead of probing players and trying to solve the game is something that mafia usually does, so in this context I give his post #45 a thumb down (ZFR is also guilty of this, but at least it's not the only thing he's done), and I do see his post #47 as filler content given his lack of game solving and scum-hunting.


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Microfishd: [...] Trent, on the other hand, I saw mostly as analyzing what others have said or asking for explanations--not adding a lot of new information attacking players other than ZFR, and perhaps his actions jumped out at me as seeming to fit this.
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I just did an ISO of trentonlf, and up to your post #119, I don't see the "analysing what others have said or asking for explanations" part. Perhaps it's a matter of interpretation, but I have to ask - are you sure you're not mixing him up with another player? If you're sure it was him, can you point out what in his posts you interpret as such?


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Microfishd: ^^
all of the above was one post, and contrary to what Zeogold & others can do, the non-scripted forum would not allow me to reply to multiple different people's posts in one post. Shrug.
Your mafia life will be immensely improved if you install both the Barefoot Essentials (BE) and Adalia Fundamentals (AF) userscripts.

BE adds a very handy "quick post/ quick reply" function, that comes with an in real time preview window. What I do, is open each post I want to quote-reply to in a separate tab, type what I have to say, then stitch them all together in a single post, and hit the post button. You may have noticed that I group my comments per player addressed, which would be a real PITA to do without BE.

AF provides a feature rich search function, which you can use to isolate a player's (or more) posts; helps with getting a better overview of each player's activity and interactions with others (especially if you ISO them together), or refreshing your memory on what they've said.

Last but not least, thanks for the wishes.



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Lifthrasil: [...] For new players being scum is much more intimidating than being town. [...]
Not if your name is Dessimu!
Posted March 30, 2019
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Lifthrasil: Hm. Closing in on the original deadline. No clue when the new deadline is and we are far from any semblance of concord. My main suspects haven't changed yet. Could everyone who hasn't stated their preferred lynch targets yet please do so and also give reasons why those persons are their main suspects?
My top suspects are:

- SirPrimalform for lack of effort in trying to analyze the game
- Fran76 for lurking (until today that is)

Lower on the list (the people I am suspicious about but not to the point of warranting a lynch) is ZFR for jumping on me as stated by trent. Even lower on the list is dedoporno who is now putting in the effort to analyze what's going on.

It looks like it may be even more of a while until I prep up my player-by-player tally, but it's worth noting that of the players that were in the previous Secret Hitler, trent is more talkative, Lift is pretty much the same (which is dangerous if he is scum), scene doesn't appear as much as he did, and ZFR's a bit iffy - something's wrong but I'm not sure exactly what. As for myself, I've been more talkative myself. Perhaps because I didn't start mid-game this time.

Also, yes. Let's stick to the format of @mod vote {person} to save ourselves from any headaches. Votes need to be clearer than daylight.
Posted March 30, 2019
Unvote ZFR
Vote supplementscene
Posted March 30, 2019
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PookaMustard: My top suspects are:

- SirPrimalform for lack of effort in trying to analyze the game
Ah, the innocence of one who has never played mafia with me before.

Also my brain is still hurting so I've mostly just skimmed today but it appears the majority of discussion is about the voting mechanics... not that there's ever a huge amount to analyse on day one. I see Fran has just appeared, I hope we can get a deadline extension so that they (and I) can get up to speed.
Posted March 30, 2019
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Microfishd: I don't even recall all my reasons, but my gut went "ehhh" on some of your posts,
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PookaMustard: and ZFR's a bit iffy - something's wrong but I'm not sure exactly what.
heh.

So let me get this straight. You feel my posts are odd, despite this being the first time for both of you that you played mafia with me?

OK.
Posted March 30, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Ah, the innocence of one who has never played mafia with me before.

Also my brain is still hurting so I've mostly just skimmed today but it appears the majority of discussion is about the voting mechanics... not that there's ever a huge amount to analyse on day one. I see Fran has just appeared, I hope we can get a deadline extension so that they (and I) can get up to speed.
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ZFR: heh.

So let me get this straight. You feel my posts are odd, despite this being the first time for both of you that you played mafia with me?

OK.
Well, I played with you both in Secret Hitler for a start, which is a bit similar if not the same. I even have the Discord game to go off from for you, ZFR.
Posted March 30, 2019
@HSL: I've only played 2 on site games of SH with scene. Mafia is clearly a different type of game, and i played some last time when I was in high school.

As far as attacks go, so I should get offended on scene OMGUSing me?
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