I have hard time telling whether this is for real or roleplay. If it's the latter I can only encourage you to not give up so easily.

Please don't take the game personally. There are no "assholes" here, only people trying to play towards their win conditions.

In all seriousness though, this is not even close to what has happened in previous games, so if you feel hurt now maybe this game is not for you...

@Korotan, please believe us that nothing that is said here is meant in any way as a personal attack. If you are feeling like it is detrimental to your health or emotions to play, the choice of whether or not to continue is, of course, up to you. I am sorry you went through the experience which hurt you.
However, Please keep in mind that nothing here is "real". No matter what role you were given, you can play it the way you want to, or the way you really are, whichever is easier for you.
No one will judge you or your IRL persona for something you say or do in this game. If you wanted to be mafia and ended up town, play it however you wish. The same goes for if you wanted to be town and ended up being assigned to the mafia side. "Attacks" on a person inside the context of this game are not an attack on the IRL person playing the game; but are merely probes trying to get the player to reveal something about the role they were given, with suspicion of everyone being the watchword of the game. These attacks are NOT to be taken personally or seriously!

It is just a game, and none of us do think or will think better or worse of anyone else for how they choose to play it. A player has to play it in the way that they are comfortable with, whether others consider it the best way to play or not.

This being said, I hope you can continue to play this game, and that you come to enjoy it. If, however, you seriously cannot enjoy it, I will not criticize you if you decide to drop out.

Really? Since it was intended to be a vote on me, let's take the full stop away, and give it a read [emphasis added]: My English grammar and syntax definitely aren't perfect, but... seriously?


Is this in order of preference, and if so why?



I rest my case.



What quick change of heart? You were playing in the Secret Hitler game, weren't you? Did you miss all the discussion on him using RNG as his opening vote?


That being the quick change of heart from ZFR? Can you point me to the post where PookaMustard instantly jumped on that?


Are you playing the same game as I am? Where did trentonlf jump on ZFR for changing strategy? Are you reading the thread, only skimming, or are you also a fan of interpolating like our mod?


Heh



I suggest you familiarise yourself with the term WIFOM.

*former

Anyway, it's always a bummer when someone can't enjoy what's mean to be a fun pastime, let alone when it becomes a source of annoyance and/or frustration. With that said the spirit of the game almost guarantees one will be getting flak from the others sooner or later. In some cases that may be coming with spicy language (I don't think we have our usual harsh talkers but then again we have a few people I have never played with before, so I don't really know). Either way, it's improbably that you can go through the game without getting some pressure despite your actual alignment so you'll really have to ask yourself how much you can take and if you are up for it. I'd love for you to stay and finish the game with everyone else as you'll be one more person to play with in the future and enjoy the game, but then again, if you'll eventually quit anyway when things get more intense (and they will) it's probably best to not waste your time and nerves.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way trying to make you leave, I'm just saying that what's happening right now are pretty basic and routine interactions that will get more intense and in some cases unnerving as the game progresses and people get more paranoid. It's part of the game so get ready.

I do hope this isn't as bad as it looks for you and you'll end up staying and having fun with us.

Sheeesh. Seriously?

Seriously no. It was tongue in cheek. I didnt expect Joe nor anyone else to take my "vote. HSL" seriously.

Instead of sheeeshing me, perhaps you could answer my question regarding your post #87?

At the time of writing, yes. Since then Koro's post makes me metaread him town.


And since I apparently have to spell it out, Lift on that list is just a joke.


So, what are your reads on scene?


Pre post edit: I am answering it but am on mobile multiquoting is bad. Hence one quote at a time.

And now this strikes me a bit LAMIST.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_signup_game_57/post85

Micro struck me as an intelligent person. He seems to have read the rules, was pointed towards the tutorial by HSL. Yet after the game started he asks such a *basic* question.

Really feels like its purpose was "I know nothing about mafia chat."

Reminds me when I was mason in my first newbie game and I purposely asked questions like "What does QT stand for?" just so others don't realize I'm using it.

@Micro, is there a particular reason that brought about you asking about mafia day chat?

Ok, I got it wrong, I mean it for dedo the whole coaching stuff. And I do read the thread but on the phone it's hard to keep track of everything that was said.
Anyway, quote from trent:
Now me I am more concerned with how quickly ZFR jumped on Pooka than I am with Pooka voting Scene.
Also if you have a certain strategy, and it worked before, indeed it's strange to change it just because once it went wrong or you were scolded for it. I remember Brasas voting No in SH by default and sticking to it, despite the criticism.
Anyway to tackle things I go
vote Fran67
He hasn't yet said anything so maybe this way we can tackle something out.

because of posts 73, 75 & 81-83 ALL of the above struck me as a little bit odd, as we had already established at www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_signup_game_57/post46 & 48 (I'll try cross-quoting & see if it works or not): that the mafia have quicktopic. I was wondering to myself, "Why on earth would the mafia be coaching each other in the visible forums when they could do it all in the privacy of their own chat, since it has already been established that they have such a chat."

Or, to summarize it all, " Does this answer your question?

Fran76 said in the sign-up thread that they will be joining us shortly. It appears that they aren't lurking just for the sake of it but we'll see what they have to say.

As the others have said, there are no assholes in this thread. Only players who play different sides. Like the black and white figures in chess - there the opposing side isn't evil either. But as part of the game you will be suspected to be 'scum'. Which is just the catch-all term for 'Mafia-like' factions. So, a general term for the informed minority in this kind of game. (Mafia, Werewolf, ... whatever) So someone calling you scummy isn't insulting you. He's just assuming that you are part of the informed minority with a hidden agenda. And as I said, that will happen. Everyone is subject to suspicion in this game, even from your own team-mates. If you are town, your team-mates will suspect you because they have to. 'Town' (another catch all term for the uninfomed side) doesn't know who the scum are, so we have to be suspicious of everyone. If you are on the scum-team, you will also be suspected and attacked by your own team-mates, because they don't want to make it too obvious that you are on one team. That is called distancing.

As for roleplaying your 'hero', you are welcome to do that of course, if you enjoy it. But most of us don't. I think roleplaying in the RVS (random vote stage, the very beginning of the game) is fun, but later it just distracts from the deductions.

That being said: this game is a game of wits and also a game of conflict. Conflict is a necessary part of the game and it will get more heated over the course of the game. You will get into quarrels and you will be accused of lying. If that wasn't clear to you before you started the game, you should consider if that's a kind of game you'll enjoy or whether you'd rather look for replacement. I would be happy if you stay, but no one should suffer through a game he doesn't enjoy out of some feeling of duty or something.


@Scene: even thought I could speculate that you're trying to protect your newbie scum-buddy or buddies, I actually agree. Lynching a new player on Day 1 is not nice. Sure, they are the easiest target because they make mistakes. But those mistakes can be kept in mind for later Days. Let them play a bit before killing them.

But out of the experienced players, it is far more difficult to find someone who is suspect. ZFR seems a bit too trigger-happy. Maybe trent is right and ZFR is showing LAMIST activity. But perhaps trent is scum, calling out one of the most active town players? I mean, going for small things that aren't even tells is a must on Day 1.

And then there is the problem of Fran. If (s)he doesn't appear at all, we could deviate from the 'don't lynch newbies' principle and just remove him from the game. That would save Joe the hassle of finding a replacement. However, it would tell us next to nothing. There are no posts to analyze, no interaction and if Fran is town, scum can just hide on the wagon, citing exactly the reason to remove a non-playing player from the game.