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the.kuribo: 1. It's central focus is on sexual themes and eroticism, which is a highly controversial / taboo subject matter. The uncensored version has explicit artwork which some find to be more shocking than seeing artwork of someone's brains splattered all over the ground, and that can affect brand acceptance severely (in business terms).
I've always found that a bit bizarre, though I agree it's certainly generally true at least in the U.S. 90+% of the population will have some sort of adult relationship around sexuality and at least has the possibility to be healthy.

The percent who will actually shoot someone (much less multiple someones) in the head is miniscule, and pretty much by definition it's unhealthy for at least one of the participants.

So the artistic representation of which one of these things is frowned on? Sure, makes total sense.
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the.kuribo: 1. It's central focus is on sexual themes and eroticism, which is a highly controversial / taboo subject matter. The uncensored version has explicit artwork which some find to be more shocking than seeing artwork of someone's brains splattered all over the ground, and that can affect brand acceptance severely (in business terms).
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bler144: I've always found that a bit bizarre, though I agree it's certainly generally true at least in the U.S. 90+% of the population will have some sort of adult relationship around sexuality and at least has the possibility to be healthy.

The percent who will actually shoot someone (much less multiple someones) in the head is miniscule, and pretty much by definition it's unhealthy for at least one of the participants.

So the artistic representation of which one of these things is frowned on? Sure, makes total sense.
Funny thing is, Leisure Suit Larry is a series of erotic games, some games have 3D graphics, and the games are not that good, but they are on GOG.

HuniePop is less of a visual novel than Hatoful Boyfriend (I felt kinda insulted when it was released) and has anime style graphics, which thend to be less controversian than 3D ones regarding sex content. The game is fun to play and still was rejected by GOG, odly enough it happens during the recent SJW wave that is ruining gaming, and is no coincidence that some SJWs hate HuniePop. I don't know, maybe it has nothing to do with SJWs, maybe we just have to keep pushing to convince GOG, maybe they are unsure, or maybe they have a fucking anti anime sentiment. If it is because of SJWs or because they hate erotic anime I would be very pissed though.
I doubt it has to do with sexual content itself (in context) as we have Indigo Prophecy AO here. I think it has to do more with the stigma of the visual style and "Bejeweled"-looking gameplay.

That said I do think GOG is willing to change their mind if there is money to be made (while balancing the reputation they made against modern anti-gamer trends), and http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/huniepop is up to 500+ votes now. (I emailed a GOG staff member mentioning this.)
Post edited June 18, 2015 by tfishell
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LeonardoCornejo: Funny thing is, Leisure Suit Larry is a series of erotic games, some games have 3D graphics, and the games are not that good, but they are on GOG.
Well, classic Leisure Suit Larry (1-7) had always been more about the humor as opposed to the sex. It wasn't until Al Lowe left the series that it turned into something else with more emphasis on erotic content -- and I think Magna Cum Laude is most likely available here just to complete the series as opposed to being here on its own merit. My feeling is that it sort of gets a pass for its intense erotic content because it shares the Leisure Suit Larry name, and its inclusion doesn't cause the majority opinion to go "oh yeah, GOG, they sell porn games there" whereas allowing the uncensored version of HuniePop might cause that kind of publicity stir since there is no precedent of a tamer legacy series and GOG doesn't typically have many match-3/VN offerings to offset the fact that it has explicit imagery.

But you know, that GOG sells Magna Cum Laude uncensored is actually a really good sign that they do not shy from offering the content as long as it is marketable without backlash. It does make me feel like HuniePop might have a chance of arriving here under the right circumstances.
Post edited June 18, 2015 by the.kuribo
I would like to see HuniePop on GOG, along with many other games such as Corpse Party and the 18+ version of the Grisaia trilogy.
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LeonardoCornejo: Funny thing is, Leisure Suit Larry is a series of erotic games, some games have 3D graphics, and the games are not that good, but they are on GOG.
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the.kuribo: Well, classic Leisure Suit Larry (1-7) had always been more about the humor as opposed to the sex. It wasn't until Al Lowe left the series that it turned into something else with more emphasis on erotic content -- and I think Magna Cum Laude is most likely available here just to complete the series as opposed to being here on its own merit. My feeling is that it sort of gets a pass for its intense erotic content because it shares the Leisure Suit Larry name, and its inclusion doesn't cause the majority opinion to go "oh yeah, GOG, they sell porn games there" whereas allowing the uncensored version of HuniePop might cause that kind of publicity stir since there is no precedent of a tamer legacy series and GOG doesn't typically have many match-3/VN offerings to offset the fact that it has explicit imagery.

But you know, that GOG sells Magna Cum Laude uncensored is actually a really good sign that they do not shy from offering the content as long as it is marketable without backlash. It does make me feel like HuniePop might have a chance of arriving here under the right circumstances.
Something I fear is that SJW backlash might be the cause. I get the feeling GOG is not brave enough to stand agianst their backlash.

And yes, all the time I was talking about Magna Cum Laude, that is why I insisted on the not good enough part. Magna Cum Laud is kind of the trashy child of the Leisure Suit Larry franchise.
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the.kuribo: -snip-
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LeonardoCornejo: Something I fear is that SJW backlash might be the cause. I get the feeling GOG is not brave enough to stand agianst their backlash.

And yes, all the time I was talking about Magna Cum Laude, that is why I insisted on the not good enough part. Magna Cum Laud is kind of the trashy child of the Leisure Suit Larry franchise.
There's the question what exactly the SJW would do?
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the.kuribo: Well, classic Leisure Suit Larry (1-7) had always been more about the humor as opposed to the sex. It wasn't until Al Lowe left the series that it turned into something else with more emphasis on erotic content -- and I think Magna Cum Laude is most likely available here just to complete the series as opposed to being here on its own merit.
If MCL is just here to complete the series, shouldn't Box Office Bust be here as well? Codemasters hold the rights to the entire series, after all; the legal aspects shouldn't really be a problem.

Okay, BOB is way, way worse than MCL, but still...
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the.kuribo: Well, classic Leisure Suit Larry (1-7) had always been more about the humor as opposed to the sex. It wasn't until Al Lowe left the series that it turned into something else with more emphasis on erotic content -- and I think Magna Cum Laude is most likely available here just to complete the series as opposed to being here on its own merit.
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Pidgeot: If MCL is just here to complete the series, shouldn't Box Office Bust be here as well? Codemasters hold the rights to the entire series, after all; the legal aspects shouldn't really be a problem.

Okay, BOB is way, way worse than MCL, but still...
You know, that probably is extra evidence that GOG maybe isn't completely against games that focus on erotic content. I've read that Box Office Bust had a lot of the more explicit stuff completely cut out of the game, and it was much tamer than Magna Cum Laude in this regard. BOB probably isn't included here because it is actually that bad... like even though there is this huge Leisure Suit Legacy they still decided to snub BOB because it's just terrible? So if a game comes along that is good enough and fits GOG's other criteria and also just happens to be focused on erotic themes with explicit imagery, it may still be allowed?
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LeonardoCornejo: Something I fear is that SJW backlash might be the cause. I get the feeling GOG is not brave enough to stand agianst their backlash.

And yes, all the time I was talking about Magna Cum Laude, that is why I insisted on the not good enough part. Magna Cum Laud is kind of the trashy child of the Leisure Suit Larry franchise.
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Darvond: There's the question what exactly the SJW would do?
I'm assuming here you are refering to "SJW" as the feminist movement in gaming? I actually don't think there would be much issue with the pro-feminists as the game has generally positive portrayal of female sexuality in it. The player is actually able to select their own gender from the start and it changes the pronoun use of the dialog in-game, so it is also pro-LGBT. There is one issue in that basically the player is forced to cheat on some of the women that probably would have a huge problem with it in order to advance in the game, but that clearly seems more about insufficient resources to expand the game with branching outcomes then it does a pointed decision.

The greater issue, I believe, is not the typical "SJW" crowd as I think the label usually applies. It's more of a subversive thing, an unspoken thing, like in the USA if some mainstream store like Macy's were to start stocking items with explicit sexual connotation there's this sort of ingrained cultural thinking like "oh my GAWD... how seedy! What they hell are they doing" sort of thing that heavily changes how people think about the brand. But on the other hand, when you have something that comes along like Fifty Shades of Grey, which somehow gets marketed and angled in a certain way, it becomes acceptable to sell at every bookstore's main corner rack.
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Darvond: There's the question what exactly the SJW would do?
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the.kuribo: I'm assuming here you are refering to "SJW" as the feminist movement in gaming? I actually don't think there would be much issue with the pro-feminists as the game has generally positive portrayal of female sexuality in it. The player is actually able to select their own gender from the start and it changes the pronoun use of the dialog in-game, so it is also pro-LGBT. There is one issue in that basically the player is forced to cheat on some of the women that probably would have a huge problem with it in order to advance in the game, but that clearly seems more about insufficient resources to expand the game with branching outcomes then it does a pointed decision.

The greater issue, I believe, is not the typical "SJW" crowd as I think the label usually applies. It's more of a subversive thing, an unspoken thing, like in the USA if some mainstream store like Macy's were to start stocking items with explicit sexual connotation there's this sort of ingrained cultural thinking like "oh my GAWD... how seedy! What they hell are they doing" sort of thing that heavily changes how people think about the brand. But on the other hand, when you have something that comes along like Fifty Shades of Grey, which somehow gets marketed and angled in a certain way, it becomes acceptable to sell at every bookstore's main corner rack.
Well, I will exaplain the hypotethical case. The game is released on GOG, SJW pro censorship devs such as Phill Fish threaten with retiring their games from GOG, SJW magazines such as Salon and Jezebel pan GOG and HuniePop and brand them as misogynist shit. Tumblrites begin to push for a boycott against GOG. I have already seen some SJWs claiming HuniePop is misogynist because it "objectifies womyn" and is made for the "male gaze" they also says that it encourages "rape culture".
Due to such circumstances GOG might be cautious on releasing it. However, if the votes reach beyon 1K I am sure it would be hard for them to reject the game without getting a much worse backlash from their userbase.

Also remember that SJW ecompasses more than just feminism but yes, radical feminism is one of its most important elements.

Now, it is all hypotethical and might not be the case. Still GOG rejecting this game is a worysome tendency. They accpet VNs aimed at girls (Hatoful Boyfriend) but regect puzzle games with VN elements aimed at men. That is kind of unfair if you ask me. And the sexual content of the game is no justification for rejection.
Post edited June 18, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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LeonardoCornejo: -snop-
There's a few problems with that. A: Phil Fish quit the internet and left his game in the hands of Polytron to slowly fade. B: Salon and Jezebel are a vapid publication and the wrong half of a blog respectively. People who say is objectifies ladies and is made for male gaze, I have to say this: YOU DON'T SAY? I mean it wasn't that trailers for the game were dripping with it, but the entire premise of the game is to BANG THE GIRLS.

Also, I'm not sure how a game that requires you to have 5 dates PER girl would encourage rape culture. :V As for dumblrites, they get their panties into a bunch over anything. Just toss a picture from Homestuck their way to distract them.
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LeonardoCornejo: -snop-
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Darvond: There's a few problems with that. A: Phil Fish quit the internet and left his game in the hands of Polytron to slowly fade. B: Salon and Jezebel are a vapid publication and the wrong half of a blog respectively. People who say is objectifies ladies and is made for male gaze, I have to say this: YOU DON'T SAY? I mean it wasn't that trailers for the game were dripping with it, but the entire premise of the game is to BANG THE GIRLS.

Also, I'm not sure how a game that requires you to have 5 dates PER girl would encourage rape culture. :V As for dumblrites, they get their panties into a bunch over anything. Just toss a picture from Homestuck their way to distract them.
As you say with the You don't say meme, we all know. But they see it as a bad thing. And act with hostility toward it. A feminists broke the windows of a canadian restaurant because its name is a pun.
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LeonardoCornejo: Also remember that SJW ecompasses more than just feminism but yes, radical feminism is one of its most important elements.
This is why I dislike the term so much. The meaning of the term is very unclear because many of those that use the SJW term pejoratively and synonymously with pro-feminism are enormous SJW's themselves, just with the opposite opinion of those they decry. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

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Darvond: People who say is objectifies ladies and is made for male gaze, I have to say this: YOU DON'T SAY? I mean it wasn't that trailers for the game were dripping with it, but the entire premise of the game is to BANG THE GIRLS.
Actually, the player can choose to be either male or female when you start the game, and the in-game dialog changes pronouns to reflect this. So it's LGBT-friendly, and has some level of defense against being strictly made for male gaze.
Post edited June 18, 2015 by the.kuribo
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LeonardoCornejo: Also remember that SJW ecompasses more than just feminism but yes, radical feminism is one of its most important elements.
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the.kuribo: This is why I dislike the term so much. The meaning of the term is very unclear because many of those that use the SJW term pejoratively and synonymously with pro-feminism are enormous SJW's themselves, just with the opposite opinion of those they decry. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

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Darvond: People who say is objectifies ladies and is made for male gaze, I have to say this: YOU DON'T SAY? I mean it wasn't that trailers for the game were dripping with it, but the entire premise of the game is to BANG THE GIRLS.
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the.kuribo: Actually, the player can choose to be either male or female when you start the game, and the in-game dialog changes pronouns to reflect this. So it's LGBT-friendly, and has some level of defense against being strictly made for male gaze.
I lack better terms, well, maybe social justice activist, it is less pejorative, but again encompasses so many things LGBT stuff, otherkin nonsense, feminism, well but to make it clear I refer to the obnoxious politically correct branches.

But we that is not our main goal here. Our main goal is to get more people on GOG to vote for HuniePop. I will tell guys on other threads.