I would guess CP 2077 is being mentioned b/c bothof these RPG's seem like they are going the RPG/FPS/First-Person Action hybrid route here.

Sure, they both have different settings going on (i.e. CP 2077 looks to be a mix of Cyberpunk, Deus Ex, GTA, RPG elements - while Bloodlines 2 looks to be a more modern and improved Bloodlines 1), different elements and whatnot - but, both look to be coming soon...if all stays on course.

And probably b/c these two look like they could be the best RPG's coming in 2020 and 2021, if everything stays on course.

If Bloodlines 2 doesn't get changed much in numerous ways and it's already narrative-finished & content-finished, even with all the madness right now going on surrounding that game - if it's anything like Bloodlines 1, we could be onto something special again, even despite possible janky-ness problem. Even if the combat's similar to the original (ugh, i hope it's improved and all in the sequel) - if the writing and narrative is great (for most of the game), it could be great. We could be in for another "cult classic."

We'll have to...wait and see, of course.

I wouldn’t put it past them. Make the microtransactions via paradox site or maybe even galaxy. So long as the game has a portion of offline single player they can get away with it. You forget that the aim is towards those who would expect this kind of thing now, not the dwindling old demographic.
Isn’t most of the recent paradox games via their accounts now anyways, multiplayer definately is, and wasn’t some content account only?

This has not changed what I think of the game at all. I will wait until the game is complete, and then buy it if it turns out to be good. exactly the same as i intended to do before.


are people still really pre-ordering games? why the heck do they do so in the digital age? it is not like they will run out of stock or anything... and is it not better to know what you buy?

Haven't played Circuit's Edge yet, so I couldn't comment on that.
Sure would be great if a certain digital distribution platform known for bringing back old classics were to add it to their catalogue, so that everyone could check it out.

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The original rumor about Mitsoda and Cluney speaking up against Paradox' alleged push for toning down the more mature elements and wanting to include microtransactions, in case anyone's missed it:

"A member of the localisation team contracted by HSL opened up on disqus, I'll repost: (trying to get it corroborated by others at the company)

Originally posted by "frustrated keywords localiser": The Publisher Paradox Interactive want more microtransactions in this game and to tone down some of the more mature elements. Both Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney disagreed and were removed from the project.

(I was on the call with Keywords discussing their assistance with this game)

We are currently providing assistance with localization, animation and some vfx teams to help Hardsuit Labs. We only recently got into this project.

From what I understood in this call. The two fired employees disagreed with their boss and the publisher on the direction this game should go. Since they missed multiple deadlines and its looking more likely they will delay this game some more. The publisher wants to change some aspects of the game to fit into a more profitable sales model now that the game has been delayed and is over budget.

The original game was supposed to have significant violence, adult content and nudity (probably on par with Cyberpunk). Now the latter is presumably being removed entirely, the others will get cuts but not removed completely and they want to introduce micro-transactions of some kind into the SP experience. What those look like and how they will integrate them into the game I am not sure.

Yes. So some versions of the game would obviously be changed depending on the countries released. What it looks like now though is every version is getting changed. So I wouldn't be surprised if they delay this game even further."

My guess is that Paradox wanted the story updated to reflect what's happening in Seattle right now. Regardless of where you fall on the issue, changing the story when the game is nearly complete isn't easy and will likely result in a shitshow.

If it's going to have microtransactions, I would rather not see the game released on GOG at all, tbh. It doesn't belong here, we don't need that shit.

I understood everything except the second point.

LOL! There must have been some delay with the site. It didn't seem to be posting, so I retried a couple of times. Looks like I made my point anyway. Ha ha.

That happens to me too. This forum is pretty buggy.

I believe microtransactions also includes DLC-s. YMMW, but many DLC-s are well received by the general public (even on GOG!). Of course, that doesn't mean many DLC-s are not well received by general public, as well.

I'm not sure if there is a firm definition, but I see them as different. In my view, microtransactions are usually small payments that you make in-game, whereas DLCs are usually more substantial; purchased outside of the game and installed before playing. So, they are more like traditional 'expansions'.

Generally, DLCs you can buy, download and install before you play, meaning you don't need an active internet connection whilst you are running the game. On the other hand, since microtransactions are in-game, you would need to have an internet connection to play single player, which is something I thought GOG was supposed to be standing against.

Then they built some homes on top of it but forgot to move the bodies....they forgot to move the bodies!
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With smaller companies it can help provide income for them to do various things and keep themselves afloat.

Also with physical games in general, the collector's editions often have limited amounts.....so if one is into such it's sometimes wise to preorder those if one wants to make sure they get one.

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So they want to cut mature content?

What is this....the 1950s?

Micro-transactions...... Cut content...... All rumors at this point. For me, it has gone from a pre-order (very easily refunded by GOG) to a wait and see type thing.

two points:

1) this is clearly not the point here. we are not talking about a small company, nor about physical releases. which is why I put 'in the digital age' in my post

2) And no, not really. a pre-order is not a sale. they can be refunded (see post above mine), which means the money has to be paid back. pre-order income should go in a separat account and not used until the product has been delivered (the game is released), in lie of possible buyers regretting the pre-order. so really pre-orders do not help very much. it is only an indication of a sale at that point. if you want to support a game company, then you buy the games, support crowdfunding or just give them your money.

Totally hear you, man. If it reassures any, their community manager person I referenced in another post now seems to have debunked this on Twitter. I'm sorry I can't find the link at the moment.

And of course, that's not to say that content still couldn't be cut...I am very wary of PR speak and a lot can change between now and a release date.

Similarly, even though the mtx rumor was seemingly debunked, who's to say there won't be over a dozen small DLCs? They technicallllllly wouldn't be mtx...even though the effect is very similar.

It'd be nice if we could get "non-corporate speak" about what is actually going on with this game.