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For someone who are not participating in the boycott, and are not taking this boycott seriously, you guys sure are taking this boycott seriously.

One could even call it lashing out.
Zoom is GOG alternative like GOG is Steam alternative.
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fronzelneekburm: That part you quoted was a late addition, mostly to cover your own ass because you caved in and bought some stuff during the winter sale.
It would be abundantly clear to anyone reading the first 10-15 pages of the thread that it was intended from the very start that anyone who is significantly reducing their spending is welcome to join the main boycott list. That has always been the 'policy'.

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fronzelneekburm: I mean, what even is the bloody point of the "sympathetic" list then?
For people who sympathize with the cause, but not to the extent that they want to significantly reduce their spending?

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fronzelneekburm: Ahh, waiting for the Zoom Platform version, I see. ;o)
I've been lukewarm about Skyrim ever since it was first released. I loved Morrowind, but Oblivion was a big step down, imo, and I have the impression Skyrim is quite overrated. I don't own/haven't played Witcher 3 either and I would probably play that ahead of Skyrim, as it looks a lot better.
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richlind33: Zoom is GOG alternative like GOG is Steam alternative.
Red Candle Games is a GOG alternative
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Time4Tea: I've been lukewarm about Skyrim ever since it was first released. I loved Morrowind, but Oblivion was a big step down, imo, and I have the impression Skyrim is quite overrated. I don't own/haven't played Witcher 3 either and I would probably play that ahead of Skyrim, as it looks a lot better.
Is Skyrim worth breaking one's boycott (however they define it)? I think that depends, and is worth being discussed in this topic. A related point which may be of interest to those in this topic is how GOG is handling Skyrim's mods. I have to say I am unclear on how it works but the impression I'm getting now is that one has to use a mod manager app from Nexus, which is problematic to me and others. I thought I read, solmewhere, that there is a rumor of GOG coming out with some sort of "Galaxy Mods" (which is a no thanks from me). Anyone who knows better or who can articulate this all better, please feel free to correct/enlighten me.
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rjbuffchix: Is Skyrim worth breaking one's boycott (however they define it)? I think that depends, and is worth being discussed in this topic. A related point which may be of interest to those in this topic is how GOG is handling Skyrim's mods. I have to say I am unclear on how it works but the impression I'm getting now is that one has to use a mod manager app from Nexus, which is problematic to me and others. I thought I read, solmewhere, that there is a rumor of GOG coming out with some sort of "Galaxy Mods" (which is a no thanks from me). Anyone who knows better or who can articulate this all better, please feel free to correct/enlighten me.
I agree and I think this is also worth discussing. The release of Skyrim is a big event, as it's probably one of the most popular games of the past 20 years and one of the most requested on GOG.

Despite the issues I have with GOG and the boycott etc., I think it's a good thing to see Skyrim released on GOG. I am above all a supporter of DRM-free and I will always celebrate the liberation of a major game that wasn't available DRM-free before. This release is a good thing and gives some hope that more of the recent AAA games will see DRM-free releases at some point.

But yes, the mod-ability does seem to be a valid concern. DRM-free means there must be no restrictions at all on how a game can be played/used. If the developer is trying to restrict or control how the game can be modded, by requiring the use of a third-party mod manager, then that might be straying into 'DRM territory'. I also find these rumors of GOG looking at 'Galaxy Mods' to be quite concerning. Hopefully the issues around mod-ability will be clarified and the game will ultimately be freely mod-able, without the mandatory use of third-party tools (which should always be optional).

Personally, I'm not going to buy it right now, but I might try it at some point in the future (if only to see what all the fuss was about). Also, bear in mind that it'll almost certainly be at this price every time GOG does a sale (and we all know how frequent those are).
Post edited 3 hours ago by Time4Tea
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rjbuffchix: Is Skyrim worth breaking one's boycott (however they define it)? I think that depends, and is worth being discussed in this topic. A related point which may be of interest to those in this topic is how GOG is handling Skyrim's mods. I have to say I am unclear on how it works but the impression I'm getting now is that one has to use a mod manager app from Nexus, which is problematic to me and others. I thought I read, solmewhere, that there is a rumor of GOG coming out with some sort of "Galaxy Mods" (which is a no thanks from me). Anyone who knows better or who can articulate this all better, please feel free to correct/enlighten me.
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Time4Tea: I agree and I think this is also worth discussing. The release of Skyrim is a big event, as it's probably one of the most popular games of the past 20 years and one of the most requested on GOG.

Despite the issues I have with GOG and the boycott etc., I think it's a good thing to see Skyrim released on GOG. I am above all a supporter of DRM-free and I will always celebrate the liberation of a major game that wasn't available DRM-free before. This release is a good thing and gives some hope that more of the recent AAA games will see DRM-free releases at some point.

But yes, the mod-ability does seem to be a valid concern. DRM-free means there must be no restrictions at all on how a game can be played/used. If the developer is trying to restrict or control how the game can be modded, by requiring the use of a third-party mod manager, then that might be straying into 'DRM territory'. I also find these rumors of GOG looking at 'Galaxy Mods' to be quite concerning. Hopefully the issues around mod-ability will be clarified and the game will ultimately be freely mod-able, without the mandatory use of third-party tools (which should always be optional).

Personally, I'm not going to buy it right now, but I might try it at some point in the future (if only to see what all the fuss was about). Also, bear in mind that it'll almost certainly be at this price every time GOG does a sale (and we all know how frequent those are).
The mods that are compatible or not with the gog version have nothing to do with the drm. The drm is the restriction of using a good in the official way without modification.

Because it's not up to the developer or publisher to make a game compatible with a mod. But the reverse. A mod as well as the tools for modding is a privilege that the studio makes to the players.


Nothing obliges them and even worse can if wish it prohibit it whatever the reason. Modding is already legal only if the developers or publishers allow it.


They can ban it and even sue modders if they want because a game is a cultural product like a music, book or painting. We have a perfect example with nintendo which pursues all modders

And diverting a cultural product without authorization is in fact a crime.
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Lukin86:
I respectfully disagree with you Lukin. Modding has been a big part of PC games for decades, from very early on. Many PC gamers expect PC games to be mod-able to some extent and it's arguable that it is part of what distinguishes PC games from console games.

Digital Rights Management can refer to anything that is built into a game, which aims to control or restrict how players can play or use the game, after it has been purchased, including modding. I agree there is no obligation for developers to make PC games easily mod-able, or to provide tools to facilitate it. But I would argue that built-in technologies that deliberately aim to control, restrict or monetize mods are a form of DRM.

It is similar to a situation where the main game is released DRM-free, but post-release DLCs can only be played with a third-party client installed (just that, in the mod case, the content has been made by someone else). If the main game was only playable with the use of a client, many would call that DRM.
Post edited 2 hours ago by Time4Tea
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rjbuffchix: A related point which may be of interest to those in this topic is how GOG is handling Skyrim's mods. I have to say I am unclear on how it works but the impression I'm getting now is that one has to use a mod manager app from Nexus, which is problematic to me and others. I thought I read, solmewhere, that there is a rumor of GOG coming out with some sort of "Galaxy Mods" (which is a no thanks from me). Anyone who knows better or who can articulate this all better, please feel free to correct/enlighten me.
It's possible to mod Skyrim SE (GOG) manually and offline (similar to Skyrim LE, Oblivion & Morrowind). You need to:-

1. Add mods to the game install \data subfolder, ie, unzip them into there after manually downloading them from Nexus.

2. The file the game uses to "see" the mods is called %LOCALAPPDATA%\Skyrim Special Edition GOG\plugins.txt and you need to include the names of each .esp filenames of the mods you added and arrange correct load order.

3. Mod utilities (eg, Nexus Mod Manager), will mistakenly look for the file in %LOCALAPPDATA%\Skyrim Special Edition where Steam installs it. You may need to copy / move this to %LOCALAPPDATA%\Skyrim Special Edition GOG for the game to see it.

4. For SKSE, use the file called "Current GOG Anniversary Edition build 2.2.2 (game version 1.6.659)" from here. You would unzip this into the main game folder (next to the .exe's rather than in the data subfolder) then run skse64_loader.exe.

Despite some false and misleading information some are giving about the "need" for clients / mod managers, in reality nothing has really changed about how the mechanics of Creation Engine mods work, ie, the game will look for %LOCALAPPDATA%\Skyrim Special Edition GOG\plugins.txt file, and read the mentioned .esp mod filenames from its \data subfolder, little different to how Oblivion functions (which stores its mod load order in %LOCALAPPDATA%\Oblivion).
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richlind33: Zoom is GOG alternative like GOG is Steam alternative.
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Linko64: Red Candle Games is a GOG alternative
GOG is a Steam alternative only for the people that highly value "DRM-free" games, which is a somewhat fuzzy concept. Beyond that GOG is just a modestly larger Zoom compared to Steam. It would like to be a Steam alternative but that requires them to be like Steam, and even then it's a silly pipe dream at this late stage of the game.

So no, Zoom is definitely NOT a GOG alternative. Never heard of Red Candle Games so I'll check them out.
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Lukin86:
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Time4Tea: Digital Rights Management can refer to anything that is built into a game, which aims to control or restrict how players can play or use the game, after it has been purchased, including modding. I agree there is no obligation for developers to make PC games easily mod-able, or to provide tools to facilitate it. But I would argue that built-in technologies that deliberately aim to control, restrict or monetize mods are a form of DRM.
Really? Trying to expand the DRM meanings? More ammo for the crusade? Now it Is also DRM a game not specifically designed to be modded from scratch? At which level? Are some games more DRM'd depending the level of modability?

This is already starting to be a joke.
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Linko64: Red Candle Games is a GOG alternative
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richlind33: GOG is a Steam alternative only for the people that highly value "DRM-free" games, which is a somewhat fuzzy concept. Beyond that GOG is just a modestly larger Zoom compared to Steam. It would like to be a Steam alternative but that requires them to be like Steam, and even then it's a silly pipe dream at this late stage of the game.

So no, Zoom is definitely NOT a GOG alternative. Never heard of Red Candle Games so I'll check them out.
I mean the post was a joke but the bold text was the even bigger joke my guy
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Gudadantza: This is already starting to be a joke.
Spreading lies about the modability of Skyrim's GOG version is a sign of desperation. But this is not the only thing. It was pointed out earlier and it still persists. Very obvious fake accounts like "A CRICKET RIDING A TUMBLEWEED" or "ChinaGovIsFacist" are still on the list. Both accounts are deleted. Meanwhile two boycotters have bought newer games. And one boycotter who wanted to be moved to the second list is still listed as a boycotter. This alone shows that the lists of this boycott are not reliable.

I updated the lists I posted earlier:

Boycotters who aren't really boycotting because they obviously bought games after they joined the boycott:

1) https://www.gog.com/u/Time4Tea
"I decided to purchase a couple of things in the January sale (at very deep discounts)"
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/post3654

5) https://www.gog.com/u/Ancient-Red-Dragon
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition - released on GOG: Sep 29, 2022
https://www.gog.com/news/release_the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim

7) https://www.gog.com/u/TencentInvestor
Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition - released on GOG: Jun 9, 2021
https://www.gog.com/en/news/the_summer_sale_splashes_onto_the_scene_with_groovy_game_deals

13) https://www.gog.com/u/Grahor
Hard West 2 - released on GOG: Aug 4, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_hard_west_2

25) https://www.gog.com/u/DrearierSpider
PowerSlave Exhumed - released on GOG: Feb 10, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_powerslave_exhumed

26) https://www.gog.com/u/WeirdoGeek
Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain- released on GOG: Sep 29, 2021
https://www.gog.com/en/news/the_epic_blood_omen_legacy_of_kain_joins_gogcom

28) https://www.gog.com/u/Kohleran
Hard West 2 - released on GOG: Aug 4, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_hard_west_2

30) https://www.gog.com/u/Lesser Blight Elemental
Terra Invicta - released on GOG: Sep 26, 2022
https://www.gog.com/news/in_development_terra_invicta

34) https://www.gog.com/u/Agent-94
Detective Girl of the Steam City - released on GOG: Feb 4, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_detective_girl_of_the_steam_city

65) https://www.gog.com/u/Arsen7
Timberborn - released on GOG: Sep 15, 2021
https://www.gog.com/en/news/in_development_timberborn

69) https://www.gog.com/u/OldOldGamer
Prince of Qin - released on GOG: Jun 23, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_prince_of_qin

102) https://www.gog.com/u/Moriaantjie
Factory Town - released on GOG: Mar 2, 2022
https://www.gog.com/en/news/release_factory_town

108) https://www.gog.com/u/Jorev
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition - released on GOG: Sep 29, 2022
https://www.gog.com/news/release_the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim


Special note: 26) WeirdoGeek: "Move me to the "sympathetic" section, please."
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/post1552
This request was ignored. There could be more of these examples.


Dead accounts:
32) https://www.gog.com/u/dycaite
50) https://www.gog.com/u/DesmondOC
57) https://www.gog.com/u/A CRICKET RIDING A TUMBLEWEED
60) https://www.gog.com/u/RichDude_2005
73) https://www.gog.com/u/fraan11
99) https://www.gog.com/u/ChinaGovIsFacist
100) https://www.gog.com/u/Elkinda
114) https://www.gog.com/u/nightcraw1er.488

Note: nightcraw1er.488 obviously deleted their account in the past months. I saw many posts during my investigation.

Changed usernames:
36) https://www.gog.com/u/TrueBlueGamer changed name to TrueBlueMage https://www.gog.com/u/TrueBlueMage
55) https://www.gog.com/u/FateIsOneEdge changed name to WhatIsTheTruth https://www.gog.com/u/WhatIsTheTruth
66) https://www.gog.com/u/Firefox31780 changed name to Dexter Grif https://www.gog.com/u/Dexter%20Grif
105) https://www.gog.com/u/Mirrorio changed name to 01101101 01101111 https://www.gog.com/u/01101101 01101111

I only looked for dead accounts in the second list. It turned out they changed their usernames:
2) https://www.gog.com/u/McMicroDonalds changed name to Magmarock https://www.gog.com/u/Magmarock
6) https://www.gog.com/u/Paliper changed name to SomeInternetDude https://www.gog.com/u/SomeInternetDude


These boycotters are hiding their account and you can't say anything about them:
2) https://www.gog.com/u/Lifthrasil
3) https://www.gog.com/u/joppo
4) https://www.gog.com/u/kdgog
10) https://www.gog.com/u/gloombandit
11) https://www.gog.com/u/MajicMan
12) https://www.gog.com/u/Chaossaturn
17) https://www.gog.com/u/HappyPunkPotato
18) https://www.gog.com/u/rtcvb32
21) https://www.gog.com/u/GreasyDogMeat
22) https://www.gog.com/u/DevotedTitan
29) https://www.gog.com/u/plagren
38) https://www.gog.com/u/ShadowXOR
45) https://www.gog.com/u/Dalswyn
47) https://www.gog.com/u/Shendue
48) https://www.gog.com/u/classic-gamer
51) https://www.gog.com/u/AstralWanderer
55) https://www.gog.com/u/WhatIsTheTruth
58) https://www.gog.com/u/RETRON84
64) https://www.gog.com/u/KiNgBrAdLeY7
66) https://www.gog.com/u/Dexter%20Grif
70) https://www.gog.com/u/DeadCityResident
74) https://www.gog.com/u/Ragmand
78) https://www.gog.com/u/Witch2Gog6
79) https://www.gog.com/u/Nalkoden
89) https://www.gog.com/u/beresk_let
92) https://www.gog.com/u/Pyromancer138
95) https://www.gog.com/u/sanscript
102) https://www.gog.com/u/zeragrin
105) https://www.gog.com/u/01101101 01101111
116) https://www.gog.com/u/whistle-blower

You can access the profile of these boycotters, but you can't see much about the games they bought:
6) https://www.gog.com/u/Seceroth
15) https://www.gog.com/u/B1tF1ghter
24) https://www.gog.com/u/gargus
31) https://www.gog.com/u/Captainchicken84
41) https://www.gog.com/u/LordJF
43) https://www.gog.com/u/TormentFan
53) https://www.gog.com/u/hollibolli1970
54) https://www.gog.com/u/sebastelian
67) https://www.gog.com/u/5P34R
72) https://www.gog.com/u/TheRPGenius
75) https://www.gog.com/u/Souffrir
77) https://www.gog.com/u/PirroEpirote
81) https://www.gog.com/u/mqstout
82) https://www.gog.com/u/Eidskogian
83) https://www.gog.com/u/rtwjunkie
84) https://www.gog.com/u/Kyousuke.
85) https://www.gog.com/u/ElektroSmokes
90) https://www.gog.com/u/lostwolfe
91) https://www.gog.com/u/wintermute.
93) https://www.gog.com/u/lmc2002
94) https://www.gog.com/u/torkel104
97) https://www.gog.com/u/GamezRanker
103) https://www.gog.com/u/springtoiffel
113) https://www.gog.com/u/Tuttle757
117) https://www.gog.com/u/Dryspace


Then there is the rest of the boycotters where you can access the profile. It looks plausible that they are boycotting.
8) https://www.gog.com/u/pearnon
9) https://www.gog.com/u/Leevi
14) https://www.gog.com/u/Orkhepaj
16) https://www.gog.com/u/_Auster_
19) https://www.gog.com/u/fr33kSh0w2012
20) https://www.gog.com/u/Hexchild
23) https://www.gog.com/u/Zegpi
27) https://www.gog.com/u/Zorzy
33) https://www.gog.com/u/Amiko Novich
35) https://www.gog.com/u/evilprotoss
36) https://www.gog.com/u/TrueBlueMage
37) https://www.gog.com/u/faldofas
39) https://www.gog.com/u/Adoru
40) https://www.gog.com/u/g00dbye
42) https://www.gog.com/u/nevasith
44) https://www.gog.com/u/ApeKing
46) https://www.gog.com/u/aiMute
49) https://www.gog.com/u/ResidentLeever
52) https://www.gog.com/u/Cavalary
56) https://www.gog.com/u/theseawulf
59) https://www.gog.com/u/Mplath1
61) https://www.gog.com/u/LtOin
62) https://www.gog.com/u/granny
63) https://www.gog.com/u/romulus16
68) https://www.gog.com/u/shattenyagger
71) https://www.gog.com/u/Serpens6
76) https://www.gog.com/u/Doomjedi
80) https://www.gog.com/u/Peaceful Protestor
86) https://www.gog.com/u/zakius
87) https://www.gog.com/u/SuccessDenied
88) https://www.gog.com/u/LordEbu
96) https://www.gog.com/u/Creo1
98) https://www.gog.com/u/watchinofoye
104) https://www.gog.com/u/Executer
106) https://www.gog.com/u/Dave3d
107) https://www.gog.com/u/ddeceive
109) https://www.gog.com/u/Engerek01
110) https://www.gog.com/u/wolf_and_shadow
111) https://www.gog.com/u/viine
112) https://www.gog.com/u/whitelynx
115) https://www.gog.com/u/tassforaiur
Nobody is spreading lies about the modability of Skyrim. One user (not OP) said it was unclear to them how it works, but that they had the impression that you had to install a mod manager app from Nexus. This was subsequently cleared up, but it's not surprising that the question was raised, considering how man people seemed to have problems installing mods, just read the forums.

Making a completely pointless list of users who boycott to somehow cast doubt on wether they are boycotting or not, however, is a sign of desperation.
Post edited 4 minutes ago by Longcat