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Glad they at least sort of half apologized, even if it was poorly done. It shows they recognize some kind of problem, despite still not being willing to call out their Chinese masters.

Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
To he** with companies, governments (Feds, China, Blizzard, Google, etc.) that think they own you.

Own your own system (PC -can you even do that anymore with today's hardware?), and own your games (No Steam or account/DRM crap). P2P.

Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth. An evil dragon that no one should have anything to do with, but the big boys (Google, M$, etc.), as well as Made-in-China companies, are going to sell out the world to them. Better dead than Red.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by BStone
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StingingVelvet: Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
Finally someone recognizes that this issue goes beyond just Blizzard.

What happened with Blizzard is but a mere consequence of Globalism.
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StingingVelvet: Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
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Elmofongo: Finally someone recognizes that this issue goes beyond just Blizzard.

What happened with Blizzard is but a mere consequence of Globalism.
AMEN.
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Blizzard's Q+A section gets heavily trolled...

Yep.... Half expected this to happen.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by rtcvb32
Not to be negative, but I'm kind of worried that this shit from Blizzard is going to fade away from public consciousness. Some people even acknowledge that non-apology as a kind-of-apology, it was literally nothing but lip service without any substance.

When their new releases hit the market, I bet nobody will remember what a bunch of asshole decisions they made.
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DadJoke007: Not to be negative, but I'm kind of worried that this shit from Blizzard is going to fade away from public consciousness. Some people even acknowledge that non-apology as a kind-of-apology, it was literally nothing but lip service without any substance.

When their new releases hit the market, I bet nobody will remember what a bunch of asshole decisions they made.
Sincere question: When was the last time game purchasers held back their money no matter what a company did?
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BStone: Sincere question: When was the last time game purchasers held back their money no matter what a company did?
Everything disappears from public memory all the time. When the hype train dies down, it disappears from the memory for most people. And for those who are in the minority that still remember, they don't have to integrity to follow through when nobody else cares.

That goes for everything.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by user deleted
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Elmofongo: Honestly apologizing at all just exposes weakness and the masses will never accept it no matter how much of an effort you make to change.
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rtcvb32: Being strong for one's principles is one thing... Blizzard is looking for China money, and it's obvious. Otherwise a number of the recent actions wouldn't have happened.

They are more surprised they are getting any backlash at all, nevermind going against their own gamer base who loyally have followed them thus far.
Blizzard had been going against own loyal gamer base for years. Part of game base, anyway. Now they just turned their back on current gamer base, the same way they did on earlier fans.
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LootHunter: Blizzard had been going against own loyal gamer base for years. Part of game base, anyway. Now they just turned their back on current gamer base, the same way they did on earlier fans.
Well i can only hope it's a big enough base they ticked off to feel a real burn...

Then again if they can stay out of the spotlight for 2 years their problems would probably go away...

Which is why it's best to keep it in the spotlight. At least Konami has more or less stopped making games and only does their gambling machines, and don't make enough news to constantly keep them in the spotlight.
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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth.
Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?

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StingingVelvet: I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by fronzelneekburm
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StingingVelvet: Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
Every culture(or most) deserve respect....it's often the gov'ts that do not...especially in the case of the gaming censorship.

As for global worlds.....sounds good as long as the various countries can keep what makes them unique(including their own local gov'ts and customs) and not be forced into one "mold" like in the EU countries.

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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth. An evil dragon that no one should have anything to do with, but the big boys (Google, M$, etc.), as well as Made-in-China companies, are going to sell out the world to them. Better dead than Red.
It's not the people(mostly) that are the problem, but the leadership.

Also a bit of advice: Try not to post too many lines like the first and last ones above or word them more subtly, or the dragon that is the gog staff might pounce on you at some point(they dislike even strong politics talk in gaming related threads).
Post edited November 03, 2019 by GameRager
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rtcvb32: Blizzard's Q+A section gets heavily trolled...

Yep.... Half expected this to happen.
STOP LINKING THE QUATERTING!!!
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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth.
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fronzelneekburm: Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?

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StingingVelvet: I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
With all of the technology that the West has transferred to China over the last 50 years, how could it not be dangerous? lol
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fronzelneekburm: Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?
Tibet(is that foreign enough? I am seriously asking). Also internally...Hong Kong.

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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them.
So it sounds bad to want people to be free of dictatorships? And no, when a country's leadership locks people up for saying various things/implements a social credit system where one has to keep in line & act a certain way to get basic services/locks up or fines people for showing pictures of winnie the pooh....no, I don't think that is a country doing well in all ways.

(Maybe China is doing well financially, but that cannot last forever)

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fronzelneekburm: They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?
The west has prosperity in many ways as well, and companies want a piece of the pie because they're greedy & China allows them cheap goods/labor.

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fronzelneekburm: As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government.
They got locked up legally for breaking the law we already have, which the gov't did use to make an example....but they still did that within the framework of the law.

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fronzelneekburm: Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
The chinese gov't throw those words around but they mean very little when the party says what goes and are basically in office for life.

And yes, most gov'ts do such things but at least we have protections that limit what they can do in many western countries, which the chinese/etc lack.
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Now i'm gonna drop it here, as this is going too offtopic and into politics. If you ever want to chat on it, though, my PM is open for honest and civil discussion on the topics discussed here at any time.
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Elmofongo: STOP LINKING THE QUARTERING!!!
He is a bit clickbaity and whiny sometimes, but he can also be informative and entertaining on occasion.
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rtcvb32: Blizzard's Q+A section gets heavily trolled...

Yep.... Half expected this to happen.
The bit starting at 1:55 is a very good point.....Blizz allows some good(i.e. lgbt or pc) statements but not unpopular ones....they should either allow all or none, like Jeremy says.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by GameRager