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I don't really see the whole issue with Kong Kong. It's Chinese territory, this is not gonna change, and if the protestors keep testing the Chinese govt's patience eventually they'll just roll the tanks in and end the whole thing by force. What would America do if one of it's states tried to leave? It would use force, same way they did in the Civil War, same as any country worth it's salt would do to protect it's integrity and sovereignty.

Many of the Hong Kongers have openly called upon Trump to "liberate" Hong Kong, which tells me that these people are not legitimate activists but outright traitors to their own country.
Post edited October 09, 2019 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: I don't really see the whole issue with Kong Kong. It's Chinese territory, this is not gonna change, and if the protestors keep testing the Chinese govt's patience eventually they'll just roll the tanks in and end the whole thing by force. What would America do if one of it's states tried to leave? It would use force, same way they did in the Civil War, same as any country worth it's salt would do to protect it's integrity and sovereignty.

Many of the Hong Kongers have openly called upon Trump to "liberate" Hong Kong, which tells me that these people are not legitimate activists but outright traitors to their own country.
California is probably the most likely to leave, do you think that the US would roll in the tanks to California? As spectacular as that would be, I doubt it.
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Crosmando: I don't really see the whole issue with Kong Kong. It's Chinese territory, this is not gonna change, and if the protestors keep testing the Chinese govt's patience eventually they'll just roll the tanks in and end the whole thing by force. What would America do if one of it's states tried to leave? It would use force, same way they did in the Civil War, same as any country worth it's salt would do to protect it's integrity and sovereignty.

Many of the Hong Kongers have openly called upon Trump to "liberate" Hong Kong, which tells me that these people are not legitimate activists but outright traitors to their own country.
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DadJoke007: California is probably the most likely to leave, do you think that the US would roll in the tanks to California? As spectacular as that would be, I doubt it.
I doubt it US would roll in tanks to California, if things go exactly exactly the same to what happend on Tian'anmen Square in 1987. On that day the guards were gutted and hung from hung from armoured cars before they did nothing. It's much
horrible compared with what HK policeman are suffering, like being attacked by incendiary weapons or bit off fingers when two of them moved out from a market in HK.
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aegislee: Great...rep -2
friendly discussion..
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richlind33: You've never heard of social credit? lol
I can even access and read the "evil" credit point on my cellphone.
And it's exactly same with what western media report it. Everyone would not say one single bad word to Chinese Party like what I posted above in this topic.
I may receive the police phonecall in a minute and be called to nearby police station, right? lol
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kai2: what does 48% bring?
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Sachys: apparently this: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1181933071760789504
Yes, was glad to read that earlier today. I'll say this...

... I worked with an American company that had a majority Chinese interest, and while I heard of no overt censorship, I know there was "worry" while initially developing content... an interest in self-censoring in order to stay away from potential issues with the Chinese government.

The problem here is not really what China wants to do in their own country -- although human rights issues certainly need reflection on the international stage -- but what China can directly (or indirectly) impose on corporations that are not Chinese?

This is a much larger issue than China... and not particularly a new phenomenon... but certainly an important one to think on.
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kai2: what does 48% bring?
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Sachys: apparently this: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1181933071760789504
I like that Tim Sweeney and Epic are not going to be like Blizzard but this could get Fortnite and any game that is tied to Epic banned in China if the Chinese Government thinks that Epic is up to no good. I hope that Tim knows what he is doing and getting himself into.
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Fender_178: I like that Tim Sweeney and Epic are not going to be like Blizzard but this could get Fortnite and any game that is tied to Epic banned in China if the Chinese Government thinks that Epic is up to no good. I hope that Tim knows what he is doing and getting himself into.
Well, the big difference between Blizzard and Epic is that Epic is a private company and Blizzard is a publicly traded company. Sweeney is actually in control of Epic... whereas there is much more fragmentation of control in a publicly traded company. But...

... you are right that there could be an issue with Epic in China.

With his prior behavior, kinda astounding he took that stance.
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DadJoke007: California is probably the most likely to leave, do you think that the US would roll in the tanks to California? As spectacular as that would be, I doubt it.
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aegislee: I doubt it US would roll in tanks to California, if things go exactly exactly the same to what happend on Tian'anmen Square in 1987. On that day the guards were gutted and hung from hung from armoured cars before they did nothing. It's much
horrible compared with what HK policeman are suffering, like being attacked by incendiary weapons or bit off fingers when two of them moved out from a market in HK.
We can debate the causes and the who is "more to blame," but I think everyone can agree that the descent into violence is sad.

A strange wrinkle on this whole situation is that a news release by Blizzard in China refernces "... our great country (China)." Thst is quite strange seeing that Blizzard is an American company.
Post edited October 10, 2019 by kai2
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aegislee: Nothing inappropriate with you and your country even your ideology , if you west people do not support the HK independence only becaucse those people enounced the word "freedom" or "democracy". Meanwhile west media report little about the terrorist attacks in HK which now torment ordinary people.
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kai2: It might behoove you to watch more in-depth coverage across multiple outlets on the protests and situation. Oh wait... you're in China.

Some of us know more about this situation than you think.

Back OT...

I think it's interesting that Tencent.-- which owns 5% of Blizaard -- seemingly owns 48% of Epic. If 5% and a gateway to China (companies must have partial Chinese ownership in order to enter Chinese market) is enough to bring this kind of censorship, what does 48% bring?
Nothing compared to yankee tech companies that do it for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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DadJoke007: California is probably the most likely to leave, do you think that the US would roll in the tanks to California? As spectacular as that would be, I doubt it.
They rolled the tanks in for the Waco incident.
Post edited October 10, 2019 by Spectre
Stolen from Reddit:
Blizzard preparing their response to the situation.
Post edited October 10, 2019 by user deleted
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Last post here, merely wish GOG to get better and earn more. Meanwhile GOG only profited thousands Dollars in 2018 and 2019 half-yearly net profit is only 163K.
I don't care what CDPR think about HK or China, I just don't want CDPR is be involved with any controversial issue.
GOG needs more profits, not a statement. What you suggest benefits nothing, but pushes it and separates from Chinese gamers.
The fans, in China , told their friends that "we can buy 2077 Not only on STEAM . If we buy 2077 on the GOG,CDPR will get the whole income from selling ."

SOME of you may think the RMB is foul and disgracefull.
I will not convince anyone.

Thanks CDPR, for your game, and the best game sinicization ever.
I wish we would meet in “2077” on GOG and not blocked by the Fucking Grate Fire Wall for any stupid incidents.
Gamers just need games, nothing else,that's all.
Post edited October 10, 2019 by aegislee
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dfoct4/so_now_blizzard_have_disabled_all_four/

LOL
'm not a fan of taking a podium to the workplace unless that job involves political commentary. It's simply unsustainable to give individuals absolute freedom of expression, to the point where even Gary the Janitor can endanger a multi-billion dollar company. That being said, typically Gary is punished to appease a subset of consumers, not an authoritarian government. Blizzard's motivations became clear when they obliterated anything in the vicinity - the player, the newscasters, and a squirrel just outside the window minding its own business.
I have to laugh at a apologist for the Dictorial Chinese Government accusing anybody else of being brainwashed.
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Hmm, it would seem Blizzard likes censorship if it gets them more money....same with Disney/etc.....what a sad thing to see happen.

Well it was to be expected with a company that values money over the consumer, at any rate.

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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Besides, GOG itself "hates" politics and even imposed a "rule" for everybody, to stay out of it. It would be a shame to go back on its own set of values.
They already do.
Post edited October 11, 2019 by GameRager
Update:
They've given the prize money back. Still banned though.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/10/blizzard-reinstates-hong-kong-protestors-prize-says-china-had-no-influence/

I like the last paragraph though. Blizzard USA and Blizzard China are fighting over the motivations of the ban.