I've got my frysen system running now. It was a little painful and I've had to deinsert and reinsert some ram sticks a dozen times by now, along with the CPU fan to make the room to work down there. Darn, I want a Mega-ATX board. Putting the CPU fan back is painful because the heatsink is almost touching the backplate of the GPU and you have to get a metal clip between that heatsink & the GPU...

Initially the machine wouldn't boot at all with all 4 sticks. Taking out two of them enabled me to get to BIOS, force dram clock to a lower-than-rated frequency, and then it will boot with all 4 sticks. After a bios update, the system will boot with all 4 sticks on auto frequency, though the CAS timings are higher than advertised. Limitation of the memory controller, unfortunately. It appears I haven't got the best possible RAM for this build :(

People on ASUS C6H: get the latest BIOS update or your board might just brick itself. Seriously. Happened to many people already.

If true....wow!

Public knowledge by now but AMD has a new HEDT platform coming out in a couple of months. You’ll see more of it at Computex I believe. It’s a 16 core /32 Thread, quad channel behemoth. And it is insanely quick in the tests that Ryzen is already excelling at. So Cinebench, and all other related productivity programs. The gaming issues that were causing the Ryzen AM4 CPUs to behave erratically to say the least have been ironed out. It’s akin to a newer revision on a newer platform. This should be competing with the Xeon and of course 6950X Intel offers for $1700~$1800USD, but at about $1,000 USD if not less for some Skews. Coming soon.

CPSs are pretty big physically, about twice the size of surrent 6950X CPUs and a bit more perhaps. And if you were hoping for pins, nope it’s strictly LGA! It’s NOT 8 channel, but Quad.

Will be a splendid competition between X299 and this AMD platform. Skylake-X is pretty good, not revolutionary but a meaningful step up in IPC and the clocks are pretty high as well. If Intel will have a 32 core part to compete on X299 remains to be seen, but the HEDT platform is going to change quite a bit in the next 4 to 6 months.?

I'm not surprised. We've all have seen how MS treats their costumers (like brainless cows). It's like they just can't get people fast enough over to win10.

This is just as an idiotic decision as Norway is now FORCING everybody to buy expensive DAB equipment, now that the FM net is being turned off this first part of 2017. DAB is over 30 years old and worse than FM AND 4G/5G/wifi.

I remember there circulated a WinXP Performance Edition on div torrent sites, maybe it's time for a community version of Windows 7. I just can't seem to find any reason to justify buying crapware, with forced ad, lack of security and other privacy issues.

The only logical reason is to spy on people and sell the data - what else are they going to make money on now that it is "version-less"...well, that and the internal app store.

I'm thinking of buying Ryzen when time is ripe and most kinks are out, and just crossing my fingers to Linux+Vulcan+Wayland gets a serious update (especially the last part now that X is being slowly pushed 6 feet under).

With Ryzen 7 performing as i7 and to about half the price and wattage it's a kicker.

Always do research and update. Its like people expect the SW on the mamabord to just magically accept new hardware that wasn't even conceived at the release of the mamaboard.

When I brought this up on another forum, about micro$oft pushing this stunt just to get more win10 users, only one other agreed if I recall. Rest came up with idiotic comments like "Who cares if you use older games or gfx/sfx software, you should upgrade" etc.

Despite the obvious older software of any kind would obviously gain from using newer hardware.
I still use an old version of Lightwave, can't afford to get a newer version. So, according to those fools, I should stick to using older hardware too?

Sheesh! Some folks have blinkers on, the others have their head fully in the bag of Oats ;)

On the ECC issue from a few pages back, looks like ASRock do have full support for it on their flagship Ryzen motherboards (Taichi, Fatal1ty etc), but it requires a fix from MS to actually work on Windows. It's already working fine on certain Linuxes though.

At present 4 sticks only work at (at best) 2400Mhz. That should be fixed later but is a known (and to be fair, advertised) limitation. The best RAM for overclocking seems to be 3200Mhz Samsung manufactured B series RAM which G.Skill and Corsair at least have available, but even that will only run at reduced speeds when 4 sticks are present.

Personally, I wouldn't upgrade from Haswell yet unless you've got a low tier chip or would benefit a lot from the increased cores. Ryzen IPC is only slightly higher than Haswell and is a bit lower than Skylake/ Kabylake.

:)

MS has lost the little respect I had left.

Some GOG dev said something about removing XP support from Galaxy, which I perfectly understand, giving the age and library difference from 7 (people can still use a non-supported community patch), but Windows 7 still has a huge marked share, and 10 has shortcomings. Also, I think we've all seen forced update when it's least convenient.

In the end it really doesn't matter what you or I think, the marked of hungry consumers who consume new things just because it's new flesh for cannibals, without thinking, is more of a madness with a hint of brainwash. MS and Appel have people lock-in, with no escape, the end result is fanbois and the mentallity "we blindly accept anything as long as we don't have to think how it work or understand any future unforeseeable consequences".

There are zero logical reasons to constantly remove backward compatibility and force people onto something that they normally wouldn't need. No, we don't NEED Windows 10 - that's the propaganda from MS speaking. And who's going to jump on the wagon and push the rest of the marked? Yep, gamers!

Windows 7 and (and partially 8) are fully functional OS's that can perfectly work with Ryzen. MS tok the best of XP and made it better. Now MS slammed the door and no company does that with the respect to it's costumers.

Think about it: If I made software for robots and told my costumers that I've changed something, and they had to change their 150M USD factory, knowing fully well that I might do it again in three years, I'd loose trust, rep and costumers. Especially if my software was propriety.

Software can be changed - Hardware can not.

Then again; the only marked that drives this circus are gamer's (DX11/12) - without them, the repeated lock-in and with the grooming of devs, MS wouldn't have that much power.

And phrases like "Who cares if you use older games or gfx/sfx software, you should upgrade" etc, shows that their thinking capacity is well below 64kb. I've seen them myself, it's all bad excuses for giving more money to MS and friends ;-)

My only upgrade available is an i7 because the socket is dead. With the money I could get for the CPU + mobo + RAM combo at least I can offset the price of the CPU.

Anyway.. when is Vega coming out?

And, as a matter of fact, Windows 7 works fine with a Ryzen setup.... once one manages to install it. And it won't update ( since M$ blocked that now ) :-(

Now, I agree with what you wrote. Consugamers are like lambs ( or rats following a musician). The PC I'm using right now has turned 8 today ( not that I keep trace of "computers birthdays" though, but I completed that one the day before my son was born). And it is only starting to feel old now ( Admittedly it was constantly updated , with 16GB of RAM, a moder GPU, an SSD as boot disk and I can still play about all games on it , but I have no further upgrade path from here ) , whereas previous computers had become wholly obsolete in 3 to 5 years time. The reason for that is that the rate of progress we have experienced in computer technology since 1981 cannot be maintained forever. We are still progressing, but slower. But that market still sees trees growing to the sky. Or is made to see it ( using very interesting benchmarks that show huge progresses in compiling things noone ever compiles on his/her own, or in FPS that are alreday so high that there is no chance to perceive any difference )

I may complement my hardware by a ryzen rig of my own, but I wait a bit , that is until I make my mind on the motherboard to use. And that new computer will be a linux machine, so waiting a bit makes even more sense till Kubuntu 17.10 or 18.04 probably.

It's actually not a question of refusing progress. It's that Windows 10 is not a product in which I have any interest. After having used it for 1 year on a laptop, it's pretty much clear to me what I *like* and what I dislike in it. And the balance of that is that is is *not a pleasure* for me to use it. Beside this, current Linux distributions are much more of a real progress ( for the user, not for the myrial of electronic monitoring devices extracting value from our computer usage) over what was available 8 years ago than Win 10 is vs Win 7

I'm actually running mine at 2666MHz right now (that is the rated frequency of my cheap-ass kingston RAM) and I know many people run 4 sticks at higher frequencies. It's doable, you just need to find the good RAM. AIUI a good mobo helps too, although I'm not sure I understand why it would have an effect.

The only limitation right now is that I can't used the rated timings (15-17-17); I'm at 16-16-16-39 now IIRC. But it is possible to run high frequencies & good timings if you pick the right RAM.

It's too late to return my RAM now. Oh well, at least it works. I'm just wondering whether it's worth it to upgrade at some point... apparently the interconnect between the CPU's core complexes is clocked hand in hand with DRAM clock so just running faster RAM can give a remarkable performance boost in some workloads.

Coincidentally I bought the exact same Corsair RAM (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) mentioned in this guide provided by AMD themselves:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

They say they had good results with this RAM running between 2933 to 3500 MT/s, but unfortunately it only runs at 2133 MT/s at best with two DIMMS in double channel mode and standard timing.
It has to be a matter of the Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 mainboard I have chosen. Even with their latest Beta F6d BIOS there is no chance getting it to work at higher RAM speed. I still have hope that they fix it with newer BIOS releases.

Vega ? June-July imho

The cards they plan releasing in April will still be Polaris, rebranded as RX580-RX570 and a RX560 on the top of it

Damn.. this basically means October-December for me.. I hope it will be on par with the 1070 at least.

No idea what they'll be like stats wise, but if their pricing is anything like how well they did with Ryzen, should be good news.

Apparently it is indeed. I helped a friend upgrading to a Ryzen 1700 ( from a Phenom X2 : new Mobo, New CPU, new PSU , new RAM) this week and on an Asus MB the 2666 Mhz ram were exactly delivering what they were supposed to deliver. The more I think of it, the more I'm likely to explore the Asrock or MSI path when I consider assembling my own system.