To be fair MarkH01 is more rational and less easily offended and reasonable than some others here. :)

True but I always think it's laughable when people need to defend something trivial like there are plenty of people that think GOG rejected actual good games and released really bad ones but it seems he can't take the notion calling it out simply cause and some other people doesn't feel that way. He himself wanted a game released here that got rejected so if he feels the system is ok the way it is he should accept it and not complain if they rejected games he wants released.

Tbh I don't mind if people are a tad hypocritical...we all are to some extent....it's the ones that are overly so(like a certain someone ITT, for example) that bother me more. ;)

Looking at the all-time bestseller list, Grimoire has already outsold titles like Blair Witch, Daymare: 1998, the Wasteland 3 pre-order, Asterix & Obelix XXL 3, MOLEK-SYNTEZ, Terminator: Resistance and Corpse Party: Blood Drive within just over a day of release. Granted, most of them probably aren‘t masterpieces for the ages, but I would wager that they should sell reasonably well based on brand recognition alone. It has since overtaken titles like Red Faction: Armageddon, Layers of Fear 2 and We Happy Few (the latter being promoted to hell and back by gog for well over a year).

Not too shabby. Not too shabby at all. Especially considering how most people who really wanted a non-Steam version probably got it on another platform already, since it was all but certain that Grimoire would ever be released on gog after the initial rejection a year ago.

Most if not all of those titles are also much more expensive than this game, and GOG users aren't known for spending much money on their games...

I'm still keeping it in wishlist until somebody confirms that wiki article about linux will resolve specifically the mouse lag issue. And ideally it would be nice to hear from Cleve that he is linux-aware and will try to not break it even more with future versions (like for example Blizzard did with starcraft, just when they released it for free).

(I mean, rationally I absolutely don't understand how people can be still using windows, it's kinda ridiculous and funny (and sad), but that's not my problem and forcing "good" upon somebody is much more evil, so ... yeah... use what you want... but at least some active acknowledgment from Cleve would be nice (about putting some minimal effort into not breaking it more), if not full native support)

True, but a lot of them have been in the catalogue long enough to have gone on sale at least once or twice. But Rwarehall is the expert as far as discounts are concerned, he'd know better.

Besides, I'm not entirely sure how placement in the all-time bestseller list is calculated (i.e. number of units sold VS amount of money a game made).

Not really, all you need to do to use GoG is to download the install files and unlike steam, GoG's client is strictly optional; whereas steam is required to DL/install the game... and there are more games that require steam to authenticate/install/run with the client then not, so much so that it cannot be considered DRM-Free.

I can't speak for everyone, but the benefits(less spying, forced updates, etc...almost all of which one can disable with some tweaks here and there) are outweighed by the minuses(learning a new OS, configuring it, finding software and games for it, etc).
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That's mostly what I was trying to get at, actually.....but it's not THAT much work and steam often has cheaper prices for some games so for a bit of work(installing client, running it, buying games, porting files on games one can) it can be a bargain for some.

And you know all too well their bestseller lists are buggy as heck. Look at GreedFall as the current best seller...
And Transport Fever 2 is high up on the list with it's 10% discount and $35.99 price tag too?

If it's actually making GoG money, good for them...but let's see how people start feeling about it after they try to play it and how that might affect future sales. Steam reviews seem to suggest people in general aren't so enthused...

I also find it rather unlikely Offworld Trading Company is the worse selling title of All-Time on GoG (not counting DLCs and Deluxe editions)

So I take it you look at the entire Twitter/Facebook/Forum history of every lead developer of every video game before you play it so you can see if they've ever said anything you find objectionable? "Oh look at this, the lead dev of XYZ game said on Twitter something 7 years ago which could be seen as sexist, I'm never playing this game!"

Must be really sad to have this kinda mindset, unable to enjoy things because you cannot detach fictional works from reality. Imagine how long the list would be of famous artists, authors etc who created great works but probably weren't angels in their personal life. Would you boycott them too?

As for Cleve's RPG Codex history, I actually find most of his posts funny and know that he is a long-time troll so I don't take any of them seriously.

Let's put all our cards on the table. I myself am admittedly biased in favor of this game, insofar as that I am a diehard RPG fan who likes this particular game and want more similar games to it to come here to this store. Now, since I've said that, can you admit that you are biased against this game (possibly the whole genre)? You have been "crusading" against this game in multiple topics for months and months. Actually, I'm pretty sure Grimoire was even missing on a recent post of yours about "new GOG price low, etc".

This is useful information when it comes to others asking questions.

If someone is not a fan of old-school RPGs, their advice on them should be taken with a pretty big grain of salt. This applies to other genres too; for example, I have seen some complaints before about GOG selling "grandpa war games"...so I wouldn't recommend going to those folks for information about war-themed turn-based strategy games. That isn't to say they couldn't provide accurate information, only that their perspective is going to be inherently different than that of a fan of the genre (even if both did end up disliking the game).

Wouldn't it make more sense in the present to look at the GOG reviews, at least as the primary inquiry? You know, since we have them now, and since the version on this site is the updated version of the game? By the way, I see quite a few negative GOG reviews from people who aren't verified owners. I insist you call them out for their "crusading" in order to be intellectually honest and consistent with your previous posts. Here's betting that you won't...



"I love Guardians of the Galaxy! Wait, no, I hate it now!"

I love how you can say that after praising and touting steam data for other games.

Gog should only care about the money they make and people don't try to get refunded, as I keep saying.
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Specifically speaking, you've shifted the goalposts, as you didn't specifically make reference to *initial* installations. Which is fine, if it makes you feel better. But as GameRager alludes to, you do need to be online to download offline installers, which is kind of prerequisite to doing your INITIAL installation, ya know? lol

1) You are still talking about objective good/bad games which imo is a thing that does not exist.
2) I don't think the system is ok but I think the flaws cannot be avoided BECAUSE of the subjectivity.
3) I did not complain when "my" game (I guess you are talking about Unbound) was rejected - I asked others to help GOG showing that they probably should change their decison.

To make it clear: I completely understand that people get sad/angry when games are rejected they like and consider to be good while GOG accepts others those people dislike and don't consider to be good. I only say that this does not apply to everybody since taste is subjective. And since because of this GOG will always reject games you like and vice versa. This unfortunately is unavoidable in a store with curation.


I did not defend anything - I did clarify ... therefore I was not offended but only correcting.