Drawing from my past experience as first time player and scum in my first game, I don't think Flocke was scum. He was conveying a sense of helplessness, which wouldn't be there imho if he would've had coaching. At the time I only had coaching during the night and still it was truly exciting. With day-chat I imagine it's even more thrilling for a new player vs the bore that is being a vanilla, clueless town. My theory is that scum saw him replaced with a much more experienced player and they don't like trent's suggestion of ending day-chat. So I think that at least one of Micro/GH/Lift is scum. Likely just one as it would be risky for both being so obvious.

Hasn't Catte voiced his willingness to vote for Trent as well? Is that for the same reason?

Tis a fine scene and film....that it tis.

With such a nice lady as NMillar's Ma surely is:

"We're gonna need a bigger boat(party)"

+++

Well, I be off ta bed in a wee bit....take care, all of ya.....I will be back as soon as able(and definitely before deadline).

Unvoting nmillar was due to his contribution for me. And the speed of the new wagon may be due to the time pressure. I am going to vote GH, however, if that is necessary to avoid no-lynch. But he is hardly readable, since he is equally quirky as Town and as Scum. But it is noticeable how quickly GH followed my after I switched to trent.

This gives nmillar some more Town-points. Would Scum want to decrease the time pressure on Town? Of course, WIFOM. But nmillar appears towny here.

Possible. But the vanilla (soft)claim looks bad indeed. It reduces the pool of possible IC candidates further and thereby gives scum information.

Flocke's no-lynch vote is, unfortunately, not uncharacteristic for Flocke. As far as I remember, he doesn't like lynching without conviction and I never managed to convince him that a no-lynch on D1 is worse than a mis-lynch.

your 4-6 hours are already 10 hours now. So please, comment on stuff now.

I'll wait for micro's comments and trent's reply. Then I'll consider whether to move my vote. Now, with the extension, we're not in that much of a hurry anymore.

Just saying that Flocke is a woman. Please carry on.

No incentive to switch to trent yet.

"Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads." Emmet Brown, Back to the Future, 1985

Happy birthday to your mom!! I hope it's an awesome party :-D



I will be in training for most of the day again so can't promise any quick responses until this evening.

I don't think there is a chance of a Lift lynch today. While I also find fishy his arguments, I also think that it might be better to have the IC revealed a bit later.
See the worst case possibilities: If scum hit him tonight, they lose daychat. Provided we mis-lynch we're 5-2
IC reveals himself, mislynch, NK, tomorrow 5-2 but we know for sure 1 town. So we have a slightly better chance of hitting scum., but IC for sure will die next night.

Alternatively if we mis-lynch, IC is alive, we're 5-2 with the same chances but if IC comes forward at 3-2 he's a bit more valuable.
Ideally probably it would be best for IC to remain hidden until 3-1 or so.
But what does scum value more? Day-chat or finding the IC? I think the day chat might be more useful. So I'm more willing to give town points to trent. I won't lynch trent today

i've a long (5+ page word document) written with my responses so far, but won't get it in the next few minutes. gonna just say that i'm up to 466 in my reading/live-thought-blogging. sporry about being overdue; i thought i would be done hours ago.

I'm not sure about a Lift lynch, but I could vote Blotunga.

GH explicitly claimed vanilla town on Day 1 when he was one of the leading wagons. Why did this need confirming?

What did you see that caused you to think that ZFR thought GH might be IC?

This interpretation bothers me.

Micro never voted for Trent. Micro voted for Flocke as part of a split-vote deal with Lift, where each one votes for one of the mia players (nmillar and flocke).

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Heavens help me, I think I know some of how ZFR felt. As much as I dislike how much of his posting is All Fluff No Stuff, and how he's been pushing for other players to do the work, the GH lynch is feeling a little too easy.

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Some things I want to say about Nmillar's recent analysis posts:

1) I liked seeing his posts from when he went through the game thread again. That is the sort of activity other players (like me) can use to try and figure out his alignment.

2) Considering the very recent reread, I'm a little concerned that Nmillar apparently needed a reconfirm from GH about whether GH is the IC.

3) I think nmillar has misrepresented me a pair of times.

Lift said several things I wanted to say, so I simply acknowledged Lift beating me to the punch on those points. However, I had pretty clearly been laying out my own opinions, as he even notes that I'm "the first to throw any shade at GymHenson."

I also object to being labeled here as throwing shade since it implies that I'm scum trying to cast doubt, but I acknowledge that a town!Nmillar wouldn't have proof that I'm town.

Hitting the Highlights of the Last 100 Posts Since I Last Paid Attention to the Game
Thoughts typed as I think them and this is a log of real-time reations to various post; in order. I probably won't take the time to re-read & coalesce thoughts to make sure my first impressions equal thoughts at the end (page 10).


Thank you.
Also, ty for your reasoning.
I would say true but then i disappeared for 3 days due to IRL so I don't have room to critique too much. I won't give you a semi-pass forever because of IRL, however.

I hope you feel better by now.

373-375 Hmm. I thought Lift was leaning scum on D1, but his reasoning is sound here, though I'd expect to less than logic regardless of team. Seems aggressive on Lift's part except he's defending himself.

#377 Welcome, Trent! Thanks for stepping up! I do simultaneously hope that Flocke is okay.

Has this opinion changed? Why do you say he voted opportunistically Yesterday? I've done it often myself in previous games, but at what point does "I've nothing to say that hasn't been said by others" go from literally nothing to say and not wanting to parrot (and be accused of riding on coat-tails) to scummy? It seems to me to be akin to the proverbial Rock and Hard Place if you can't find some OC.
Anyway, not saying you are wrong but please list why D1 was opportunistic?

it takes 3 days for town to lose--7-4 is 3>2. I had more thoughts when I first read this and then I was distracted and lost them. So, take comfort in the thought that I was thinking about what you said, I guess.
Also, unless the IC is willing to come out now, your attempting to force the issue by stating "it's not me" (unless LAMIST because you are scum hoping to divert attention from yourself) is not pro-town--you lower the player pool for scum to NK from if you are not lying. The only benefit from this is if the IC does come out. However, you could have stated "the IC needs to come out" without giving reasons. The whole "I'm disappointed that I'm not IC" bit makes you look scummy. I should know; I've been on he opposite end of this conversation before.
Top 2 options. Gut feelings here because I cannot make concrete out of this haze yet. Lift has seemed off on Day 1 in his flap with ZFR who we now know is town. the thought that "scum wouldn't target the person who most suspected them" is laughable overall.
Not sure about GH. He seemed off D1, but that is often his MO.debating "seemed off-town!GH" vs "slipped scum!GH" NAI.
Honestly until 381 I was leaning Flocke slightly town, but am now unsure. However, thank you for subbing.

Post 387--maths, NAI.

I'd ask if you were IC, but that would be counter-productive. Agreed that the IC ought to come out when they want to, and until I know Trent's flip, I'm not willing to blindly agree that IC should come out now Vs. tomorrow. IC is more effective tomorrow. I also hope you contribute more.

Well, rest assured that if I hadn't been AFK, and if I had thought of it, I would have called you out on it. Consider yourself chastised.
my 2 cents--ZFR was voting Lift at EoD1.

I'm sorry for disappointing you. When pressured it was the best I saw at the time. I'll try and do better to make you proud once more.
Hum--a 2nd person calling out NMillars piggybacking. Unless the scum team is Lift+Book I should revisit this.

I just had a random and fleeting but brilliant thought but it vanished before materializing!!! >:(

I'm trying to see beyond my initial natural bias for GH's playstyle because I also have those tendencies to forget what I meant way back when, and focus on it as maybe scummy instead of NAI.

if the latter, any ideas who? Why do you see Lift not taking out an accuser? Do you think ZFR's votes were accurate or just sincere?

I seem to recall a player distancing from the very first RVS post, and continuing to aggressively do so.
2. "would scum suggest the IC come forward to make late-game easier"? yes. It is in scum's interest to off the IC ASAP, and the sooner the IC is revealed the sooner the IC can be removed. This might be, in scum's eyes, worth losing Daychat over.

Post 392. Points to lift for not ignoring himself.

@DedoP you have me in there 2x.

Don't apologize for voicing your opinion. Why Day 1 IC reveal? They are out of the game by D3 and have accomplished potentially little? Still seems anti-town to me?

I wonder if anyone called me out for doing the same. Dedo did via DM, but idk about in game. I'll find out next page, i guess. Also, do you have that moustache sufficiently twirled to make shapes out of it? I know a guy who has this fancy 1890s-esque curled handlebar moustache and wish I could grow one.
Hmm. interesting that someone I have as leaning town would endorse a (to me) pro-scum opinion of "reveal IC now". still seems to be like a late-game or to-save-one's-own-neck gambit. Will have to rethink Pooka's alignment.

I'm more of the higher-stakes "big reward/insta-win" type person.

End of 400.

Nmillar claims VT. The game not ending makes me think that scum didn't hammer NMillar despite the opportunity, Ergo one of those on the wagon is scum or Nmillar is scum. Also, potentially both and it is a day-chat gambit:
....
"Agh! I'm under pressure! HELP?!"
"I'll vote you to get town points"
"You WHAT, Mate?
"Yeah, but you might survive and it's called bussing"
"Oh, yeah, that's what you mean, carry on"
"Oh, look you are at L2 and they are drawing it out to catch a quick hammer! Jokes on them, unless you self vote there is no quick hammer"
(Vote falls apart because no quick hammer and nothing happens. One scum gained TP by voting the other. The other gains scum points because there was no QH.)
....
Yeah, not my best analysis, but I'd like to imagine it happening. Also, that Joe might be proud of my writing in his style.

willing to vote Nmillar. Also interested in his closing thoughts.
Also willing to vote Trent for trying to force the IC to the light before the IC is ready.

You outed me. I'm a hidden Naive Split-personality Twins who can vote for 2 parties at once.

Actually.... that would be an interesting role, having 2 votes.

it was RVS. I was excited about the first game in 4 months ad wanting to be finally moving? NAI anyway, Your moving me to the scum pile for this feels...opportunistic.

422 good catch

not as much as I would like or expect, no.

Good reminder of post 80.

has this changed?
Bump please

bump

Thank you @gogtrial!!


thank you. this is appreciated. the one time i was scum (with ZFR and Vitek iirc) we had no daychat, so I have no opinion-from-experience.

I'm hungry.

nope. others here can attest that I flip flop depending on who last spoke up. (Pooka and bookwyrm will recall this from the game where Pooka pocketed me and I was vocally flipping my mental vote from second to second.) Also, I do struggle with recalling where i had been coming from earlier. This is documented (and I have taken heat for it) in Previous Gamez™. Not to GH's level, but I do understand where he comes from. Also, why no heat for GH saying the same thing?

@431 thank you.

exactly.

Thanks, and a Very Merry Christmas to you, too!

You... Now i can't say GH or Trent or i'll be piggybacking. >:(
Also, reasoning would be appreciated.


Until this most recent batch of posts by NMillar, I was willing to vote him for being opinion-less as well as my gut. I don't like that he didn't credit where i pushed players for further explanations, or where he scum read me for RVS trying to speed things up--feels opportunistic, but is maybe NAI.
Strongest scum-read is Trent for trying to force the IC into the open too early. Anti-town.
GH is inconsistent so that is a thing.
Lift for D1 stuff (the Lift-ZFR-GH thing and others) as well as for putting words in my mouth as I described 355.

Not going to vote Pooka or Micro.

HEY I enjoy your RPing and crumbing. It is enjoyable. even when I cannot figure it out (Harry Potter game). :D

sorry. My apologies.
Your reads please on the current situation of Trent/Flocke Nmillar, (as well as Lift, Catte, and GH?)?



Bump again please

bump

Thank you!!


1. not by me.
2. huh, thank you for the reminder. true. it's why humans beat out AI in all the good sci-fi.

No real thoughts yet on Blotunga.

What? No. Zfr explained why.
not trying to, just haven't felt well the last few days and have had no inspirations--I didn't see a need to rehash old info again and again until we had new info.

agreed. Not convinced of your alignment, but a very nice effort.

Catte is Properly concerned about the speed of trent's wagon, but is it real or with scum chat did he advise GH or Lift to get onto the Trent wagon?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HER!!!! I hope it is a good day and a wonderful time for all, and that her coming years are full of health, love, joy, peace, and the richest of rich blessings.

town points here. I honestly am back almost to the Lift wagon. I was going to vote Trent for serious but am now doubting that because of Lift.

Very Good Catch. Scum-point to me for not recalling that or for checking Lift's statement.

I agree with blot's reasoning 488, for the most part.

vote trent
strongly debating switching to Lift. See no point voting GH except for avoiding NL.