Dang :(

I hope and will pray that you get better asap, and as others like Micro have said: take your time as the game goes along....your health is most important, after all

Well we could ask NMillar about it after the game ends.....but of course, that doesn't help us now, so.....

What if they turn out to be town, though?

But yeah, based on Nmillar's actions at end of D2 I hear ya on it being hard to just give them a pass.

That is why, despite Joppo not being here long, I am still willing to see this wagon through today(d3).
(well barring something like them being the IC, that is)

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Btw to all: getting tired, so might go to bed soon(had trouble just forming the words for this reply). Will reply to more when I get up, y'all.

GH lays back in his bed, so as to get rest and renew his mental faculties for the days ahead

EBWOP: Ok, one last post to welcome our new player
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Gh looks back at his posts, which take up around 1/4 of the post count in the thread.

Err....sorry about that.o.0

That said, I am glad you're joining us and I eagerly await what your future posts will contain. :)

Well obviously that's possible (unless you know something I don't?). Still, we've got a few days before the deadline so there's plenty of time to see what Joppo has to say.

VOTE COUNT

Joppo 2 - blotunga (#535), GymHenson (#544)
blotunga 2 - trentonlf (#545), Bookwyrm627 (#563)
GymHenson 1 - Pookina (#595)

Not voting: Microfish_1, Catte, Joppo

With 8 players it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch.

Joppo and blotunga are closest to lynch at L-3.

Day 3 ends in approximately 4.5 days.

Dang, sorry to hear that, get well. It's a bummer now that we're close to having most people vaccinated.

Pooka's going to policy lynch you. XD

Now to see what I've missed.

I've already answered while posting to GH above.

If Blotunga is town, then process of elimination indicates he might actually be right about NMillar, and we may be in trouble trying to find the second scum.

Foremost, I want to hit scum. Failing that, I want a high information lynch. If Blotunga somehow flips Town, we can reevaluate the wagons.

Have you seen those logic puzzles where there are (as an example) 5 people, 5 professions, 5 favorite colors, and 5 favorite foods, and you are given a set of clues ("Bob doesn't like Red") to help you figure out which one is associated with each of the others? One tool for solving those puzzles is figuring out what pieces are not associated.

It isn't perfect in a human game like this, since people can make strange leaps of logic, deliberately make odd moves to add to confusion, or simply make mistakes.

As an example, pretend that Blotunga and I are the scum team. What does this mean happened? Blotunga switched off GH to Lift in attempt to get a mislynch with NMillar; this makes sense. This also means that Blotunga is pushing a lynch on a townie with a large degree of success (Pooka, Catte, and GH are all town and all on board thus far). If this succeeds, the two of us simply need one more mislynch to win. Scum!wyrm could "accept" his arguments and ride my expressed D2 suspicion to join that lynch and get that 5th vote for the mislynch, or I could simply wait it out in case the plan blows up on Blotunga somehow.

What actually happened? I try to turn suspicion toward Blotunga and disable the NMillar lynch, putting both of us under the spotlight. Is working against our win condition worth the effort for some WIFOM that people might not buy?

The answer is "no", and the conclusion is that while maybe Blotunga is scum or Wyrm is scum, it is unlikely to be both of them, so if one flips Scum the other is somewhat cleared. Blotunga's play doesn't make much sense from a Blotunga/NMillar team, but Wyrm's play does make some sense from a Wyrm/NMillar team.

This is what I'm talking about when temporarily adding labels to players and seeing who is doing what from the position of those labels. Sometimes looking for groups is easier, sometimes looking for the one is easier. And yes, sometimes it really is scum doing something for WIFOM.

That's true, except for the part where I didn't make up new info. Reread NMillar's D1 posts, then reread mine. You should be able to see a huge difference. I offered my own opinions, made my lists, and very importantly, indicated why I thought what I did. Sometimes I just pointed at someone else and said "I concur", but that isn't the sum total of my posting. There were a lot of things I wanted to say that Lift simply said first; entire post sections were deleted because he already said it and I didn't feel the need to clutter the thread.

So all you've got on NMillar is his failure to lynch Lift. I maintain my assertion that this was a scum planned push.

I've already answered this question. I answered this specific question in a post addressed primarily to you, in direct response to your prod.

If Town!NMillar, then it is simply stating a suspicion while he has the chance and isn't AFK.

So NMillar pointed a finger at someone he saw as scummy right after that person did something NMillar thought was scummy. Blotunga ditched a L-1 wagon and NMillar promptly called him out for it.

You're running a double standard here. NMillar and I look suspicious because we're expressing suspicion right after someone does something suspect, but you and Blotunga are okay for doing that exact same thing.

Same double standard.

I'm pointing out your sudden change in behavior. The scum plan didn't have to come from you.

In other words, you have zero evidence that you're not making this up. Got it.

The pieces of this section either do not need or do not deserve a response.

Shading you? Nah, I'm directly calling you scum.

Liar.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_72_starship_of_the_gods_part_ii_the_infernal_engine/post37
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_72_starship_of_the_gods_part_ii_the_infernal_engine/post296

This feels disturbingly floaty. You don't have any real opinions besides a policy lynch?

You conveniently seem to forget that nmillar was already on that said L-1 wagon, and that I put the Lift wagon to L-1 so in the end net zero effect. But if nmillar would've hammered, we would've had a lynch. If I and nmillar were scum, for sure we would've coordinated better. So we can't be both scum imho.
And yes, nmillar did have the opportunity to hammer, he had a post before dedo's closing of the day and my move to Lift's wagon.

Nothing floaty there - I've been ready to lynch nmillar all Day, I just didn't want to do it without hearing his side of the story. Since we're not going to get that, I'm not sure what joppo could do to change my mind (other than being the IC).

Well I'd still be willing to lynch GH just as I was yesterday, but nmillar's slippery behaviour at the end of D2 has drawn a lot of my focus. As I said, until it became clear nmillar wasn't going to show I'd just been waiting.

Sometimes all it takes is one crumb of info/evidence or a single gut feeling.

Sorry, must've either missed it or didn't know how best to reply to it.

I don't buy it.

Why? Because they could've said all that AND hammered Lift in the same post. They likely were aware how much time was left(as hinted at by posts like the one where they said/implied they'd re-vote me within 45 minutes to try and make sure my wagon went through), and they could've easily stated their feelings of Blotunga AND hammered Lift...yet they did not.....and after saying/inferring/implying they wanted to avoid another NL.

Simply put: does....not.....compute

Yes, they did all that...and then caused the new rising wagon(and the only viable one besides my own at that time) to fail by not hammering Lift.

As for Blotunga: true, they ditched one wagon...but (imo) as town to help get another one through.
(I could be wrong and Blotunga could be scum...but my gut right now says otherwise)

Read all the above replies by me(in this post) again, one more time.

So now you're suggesting I am scum with someone else and we agreed to let me implement the plan?

Really?

Nah, seems more to me like shading....my guess(if i'm right) is that it's probably because i'm right on one(and maybe both) scum players and you want me discredited/suspected.

Note the word seem in that bit of mine that you quoted....as in I wasn't 100% certain of that bit.

Sadly no, but I still(as usual in these games) often second guess myself on a number of things.
(due to things like being wrong on several occasions in prior games)

(Underlining mine)

Just curious.....did you get that idea from reading my posts & decide to agree/go with it(correct phrase?)? Just curious....as I said something similar once(maybe twice) myself awhile back.

Also while yer here: what do you think of Bookwyrm focusing so much on me as of late? Iirc before he was inferring/implying that my posts were a large part fluff(or calling them fluff), and he didn't seem to be paying them much mind.......and now he seems to have have a locked on laser like focus on me.

Do you think that's because he's likely scum, or that he's town and tunneling on me like NMillar did in a previous game when they were town?

I actually think GH has a point here and the point I think he's trying to make is the same reason I'd vote for nmillar.

The suspicious thing is that in the very same post he also accused Lift of being scummy while refusing to vote for him. Pointing the finger at people isn't suspicious - pointing the finger at people and then sitting and doing nothing to avert the NL is.

You might be right about the switch to the Lift wagon being a planned push - we certainly know now that Lift was town. Given my existing suspicions about GH I can certainly see it as being done to protect him.

I suspect GH, but I also agree with some of his reasons for suspecting nmillar.