It's not what I wrote, you're purposely twisting my words now. I didn't say playing on MU is an excuse for not reading: I said it's an explanation for missing on a no-lynch being possible.

Thanks for letting me know. Speaking of ignoring:

Yup, those are the only 2 players yogs mentioned as "OK".

Joe ISO is long but... really pretty clean

Who are the wolves?

Did a reread on Joe.There is the early Mason/scum comment on the avatar change, but nothing in particular stood out. I liked his hammer. This scum is less likely to do it.

Finally caught up on the reading. And am right back at square one. I know nothing about mechanics.

I need sleep now, almost midnight again.

This reminds me of the mindset Carradice had in the Harry Potter game. He should be beyond consideration for scum so those who do consider it are mafia.
Then he was more aggressive, but the majority of players are debating this now so he has no-one especially to direct towards.

I'm not happy with "until someone comes up with something to say I'm not necessary to the discussion." [interpolated]
is it inappropriate for you to think of something interesting to discuss, Carradice?



How do you recognise a scum lifthrasil, yogsloth? How do you recognise a scum trent? (also I ftfy)

I did't say that you wrote that. Now you're twisting my words. I challenged you to explain my two points against Yogs that aren't missing the possibility of no-lynch. My best explanation for those is, that yogs wasn't really trying to find scum.

And even for the one point that you gave the MU excuse for, that excuse is a bad one. As I explained. Because yogs not only assumed that a no-lynch was impossible. He clearly stated that the rules said so! Which they don't. So he either consciously used a false argument against Scene or he didn't read the rules.

I'll ask you again, this time without rethorics: what do you think of the other two points I raised against Yogs. Re-read his post and then tell me, does that come from a Town-mindset? Or rather from a scum-mindset? If you don't focus exclusively on the one error in that post that can be explained away, isn't what remains still way more scummy that 'Carradice was too defensive'?

And an even shorter question: why are you defending yogs? Can't he do that himself?

Those were two examples, where he gives an OK reading without any explanation how he came to that conclusion. The rest of the posts doesn't look much better. The only actual case he made was against Scene and it was based, as discussed extensively, on three blatant errors.

Probably you and ZFR. Maybe with trent.

You don't need to know mechanics apart from what is written in the rules. But I would like some input on how you read other players behaviour. Whom do you see as Town and, more importantly, whom do you see as Scum?

But for now I'm heading to bed too.

Oh god

if you only knew

if you only knew the smallest part of it

Lift... I can't remember anymore, honestly

I want to say maybe he's snarkier and has a little more bite to him as a villager

trent is absolutely excellent at maintaining a consistent tone as either alignment. He's a guy I mainly wait to see... if he's lynching wolves, he's a villager. If he's lynching villagers, he's a wolf.


I... suppose this could be scum Lift, but to be fair, his points aren't totally out of line

I voted a villager Day 1 and 2, I didn't understand the rules and just assumed the lynch rules were the same as what I'm used to

I sort of hope trent is scum and enjoying fooling me, that would be awesome turnabout

I'm crawling forward, I'll add more as I can

thanks, shame you feel out-of-touch with lifthrasil. You must play more with usss... Or maybe he should play more with you...

why do you think I asked you just now?

I see. I don't know why I didn't say that I was cutting you D1 slack. Maybe because I wasn't sure how to balance D1-slack because of your hiatus with the fact that you are an experienced player? Also, I didn't know if you had been following games at all.
I think I answered your other point already. Summarized, I had placed Joe in my scum-box early on and saw everything he did through that lens. It was only late day that i bothered to re-evaluate him and was unpleasantly surprised to find that from an unbiased perspective, he didn't look as bad as I thought.

Not sure if it's worth answering this, but I'll try, in light of you are town.
Vibes=impressions/feelings =/= proof.
457's relevant phrase was "I reread Joe" See above. Post 75, I reacted to his implication that i was scum. He was iirc the first to imply that we did it in scum or mason chat , despite having ample proof over the years that it takes a while to swap avatars (admits this in 127). He doubled down on this in 112 Pt 1 before apologizing in Pt 2.
he says (122) he got his PM 2 days early yet later (284) says "It's possible that it was 12 hours and I transformed that to a day or two in my head..."
I really didn't like because it seemed like to me he scum-read both of us, then when ZFR said something about Scene being himself and something NAI (game mechanics) he removed his vote on ZFR but kept it on me. It just seemed...idk...opportunistic?
I read as suspicious, because i usually town-read Joe and was wondering if this was an excuse for his being his scum-self. However, by the time of 503, i had documented that I had re-read everything Joe said in light of him being town-Joe and saw it as the more believeable/uniform/other-word-that-i'm-forgetting narrative.

I no longer remember, other than that I was wondering why SCENE brought up the "scum are the non-voters" concept. I was going to press him on this but then Vitek did, so my "i like this post" was kind of a "i'm doubling down on/ditto-ing this question...oh, wait, the answer, and a satisfactory one, was already given. Well, at least Vitek and I are thinking alike, and I know I'm town, so this should be remembered for Vitek's scale. Something kinda like how Carradice said he could have signed many of my lines or something" (apologies for not getting the exact quote, Carradice). As to why I haven't said this too often? Almost no other question have I read in this game that was written almost thought-for-thought as coming from my head, or showed someone else so strongly duplicating my "scum-radar" in realtime. I was pleased to see Vitek, an unknown-to-me, flagging what I saw as really suspicious.
glad to hear it. Will try harder to be less self-conscious. I just wish i could be more scum-conscious. I was going to ask you if you were trying to buddy up to me, but you're out of game and proven town besides, so meh. I suppose the proper thing is to take this at face value?

thank you. what is your gut saying this game, and how do you vote when your head and gut are saying two differing things?
Thank you for the "both Joe & Lift" bit. Does this still hold true? Lift has been more active toDay, but what was your opinion of him EOD1

I see. Isn't a slip, just me being cautious. On previous games you will remember that i refused to believe somethings as settles that everyone else believed without question. (Joppo's scum game comes to mind as a case where I didn't believe the "easy" number of scum that everyone else took without question.) About when your wagon was losing traction, I was challenged as to the why of my vote for you iirc and double checked. I didn't quietly excuse myself? I think I raised a stink by voting ZFR so publicly....
Do you still see dedo/trent/dice as being scummy?
nice pic, but yeah, not worth editing :O

yeah, the free pass is really only a d1 thing, @Flocke.
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I do wish I knew @Gogtrial's view of yogs toDay and if it differed from yesterDay.
Explain please (post game).
1.Do you do this every game or is this new for this game? If so, what does that signify?
2. yourself? I don't know. You tell us please.

this. has it been answered? what were your reasons as of 449?
I see. we had entirely differing angles, then. I was thinking that ZFR meant "if he flips town, this vindicates dedo micro and (I don't recall who) who were strenuously supporting Carradice, while pointing FOS at those who led the charge for imprisoning."

Post 500 was post 500; lets let bygones be bygones. :D It was a funny pic, btw, and the mess-up is totally understandable.

this is also true, but read what i said above.

how have your thoughts evolved?

see what I said in response to 525. myself, dedo, and SMFR (tots not the SPF guy who has been strangely absent despite signing up). I felt when I wrote 499 that the trio of us were the trio signing Carradice innocence, and we stood to lose a lot if we were wrong. It wasn't because we weren't voting anyone but because we were specifically telling others that the case against Carradice was , to us, extremely flimsy.
2. I see. Could you please respond in observer chat about your current thoughts, and reference the number of this post?
nother bump pls

No, I'm not defending him, but I want to play the devil's advocate here so I don't tunnel. Yes, I do find him on the scummier side of the spectrum, which I stated before scene flipped. If it wasn't for scene's flip, I'd probably be voting him.

I find the Cop claim has less credence now that we know there is a full time Doctor (flip - 100% true) since that, coupled with a 1-shot Commuter (flip - 100% true) and a Visitor (flip) with an implied tracker Watcher (no 100% sure, but good chance) gives Town too many PRs.

No, I don't expect others to follow suit, but this is where my conviction lies so this is where I vote. dedo already expressed disagreement over my PR analysis - fair enough; he doesn't agree with me let him not vote with me.
You on the other hand seem to be of the mentality that he who doesn't vote with you is against you. OK, put yogs aside for a moment, can you answer me one question: Why do you think I am scum? Because I voted for who I think is the scummier of the two?
For someone who just chided scene ("Remember, you are wrong more often than not, when you are Town. Like everyone of us. So unless you are scum, you can't be that sure of someone else's alignment. So, are you sure of Trent's alignment? " - these are your own words) you seem to be doing exactly the same thing he did. Yogs must be scum, and I have to be scum because I pointed out a point in his defense?
But again, whatever. I'm done arguing here.


Yet you only mentioned that he gave an OK to myself and trent, and ignored how he gave an OK to Carradice, for example. Because it doesn't fit your narrative?

@everyone when you are commenting in observer chat on things happening in this game, could you PLEASE mention Post # from this thread so that late-comers can see what you are referring to rather than having to deduce it (or give up, which is what I usually do)? Thank you!

Do you still dislike GameRager/Yogs? How do the events of the Day's End and Night affect your views as expressed here?
Do you know what is niggling you regarding Dedo?
I insult this insinuation! I didn't show up because work and housework (siding.)

I have read through 550 (page 11) and have to run. I have tried to answer fully and completely, but something might have slipped (I don't think anything of note was purposely ignored.)

"HITTING the HIGHLIGHTS" or
"ONTO PAGE 12"
In this episode, we see our fearless guard haphazardly and with apprehension turning thegiant page in his story. he gulps. After a long sip of his iced tea, he skips ahead and sees that a town SMFR was hauled in for questioning and a loyal gogtrial was thumped. He gulps nervously, wipes his sweaty hands on his pants, and bravely resumes reading where he had left off.
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why not hold off the cop claim until at least L1 and then do your best to wiggle out? this way the cop is not exposed early. it is (from this late perspective) a miracle that the cop is alive.

Do you still think so? What proof did you have of this?

I like this reasoning, even though it credits me with having brainz. Would Scum-ZFR say this? yes. is this town-zfr or LAMIST scum-zfr? At least my defense of Carradice got me town points from one of my main targets D1.

Have we done this? I don't think so. We should. We should do more analyzing, which is something that is less fun and more mental work.

Given that SMFR switched town, the lack of a CC on Carradice, and the fact that I am town, this strikes me as sensible. Or Vitek. What about him? Has anyone looked into him? I have thought him rather towny from what i have read, but I don't recall.

Has he been called on the carpet to explain this? I recall he was going to be more active this week. has this materialized?

SirMrFailRomp (4) - gogtrial, yogsloth, trentonlf, ZFR
Carradice (3) - Lifthrasil, JoeSapphire, Flockeschnee
omitting town, this leaves yogsloth, trentonlf, ZFR Lifthrasil, JoeSapphire, Flockeschnee
at the time of this post everyone was voting, not sure i like this at all.

Per 609 (trent has posted at 612), Carradice is already voting for lift, which makes this seem weird and maybe scummy::
Have you caught up by now? You were only a few days behind at the start.
Again, see 609 where he is the leading vote on lifthrasil. Point being, he had voted and is still taking heat from trent and ZFR.

Did carradice answer 653?

Dude, seriously? this narrative is getting old. fast. see 609, and 680. You and trent accusing him of not voting when he had already voted sticks in my craw.

Was your time spent in scum-chat instead of this chat? Are you up-to-date on everything by now?

Is there any role other than RB that could block someone? For instance, @POOOKA would "an investigation-immune person being investigated" give the "blocked" result?

689 ZFR decides to lock-town Carradice. What has changed by page 17? you replied to me with something about differing playstyles seeming scummy. Are you falling into this trap yourself re Carradice?
not sure I totally agree. I say we decide he is town because of no CC, but be willing to reopen this if there is a CC. Which brings up my point about why on page 17 are you in favor of lunching him?

Are you he?

how do you know that business yogs is town yogs? do you see his mentioned attitude more as town!yogs or scum!yogs?
thru page 14, gonna post this now, unedited, and go do RL while reading 15-17

It's simple, I totally missed the vote. Not sure how when I looked at the vote count I thought Carradice had not voted, but that's exactly what happened. If you think there was something beyond that I don't know what to say because it really was just a mistake.


Sorry I've been away more today than I planned, I've been under the weather and went to the doctor. They did a COVID test on me and I should hopefully have the results sometime tomorrow. I'm tired and cranky. I will be around but can't guarantee I'll post much.