I did? Where?

Let me ask this...
How can that even be considered a sure scum tell? I'm a townie, I really don't have any idea who is what faction beyond my reads which sure at likely close to 100%. I was in a bit of a to do with Hijack as well. I thought he was scummy. Heck, we all voted for him and most of the voters are probably town. We were all wrong.

So is JMich scummy for this?
If he's scum, sure.
If he's town (i.e. uninformed), no.

I don't see how one can necessarily tell the difference. Now, if his reason for doubting Hijack sounded contrived or dubious, maybe. I'm not sure I'd go that far. There are other things JMich has said that make me think he's more likely town than scum. And its not like Hijack is one to avoid a back and forth war of words either.

As to other reads and being sure town...
In my case, its a rare exception as to how I might be confirmed.

Bookwyrm, we had some linguistic debate which many believe may lead to that conclusion. Weigh that vs. the possibility he used that word by chance. Given TB's confirmation, I'm fairly confident. The two together have convinced me.

Speaking of TB, if he made all that up...and frankly the silence says enough. If what he said being rather bold and out there, it would seem at least some people would know it to be untrue. If that were the case, I think it likely he must be telling the truth lest he would have some votes against him.

As to Ixam, yes, he seemed to provide some wording of interest. The real question is did he do this intentionally, or did he use those particular words because they are common parlance for him? I'm certainly not 100% convinced its the former rather than the latter as that phrase is of common use. I generally believe the former is more likely, but I'm not crowning him confirmed. Personally, I have him leaning town from rather scummy. I may have believed him more at first, but some people's suggestions about that phrase and how often it is used has hit home a bit. And to be honest, as bad a scum tell as it is, the use of the word "your" does give me some reservation. That said, I have seen all too often, poor pronoun use from town as well.

I don't think it very wise to completely trust anyone else. Heck, even me. An argument seemingly could be made that I was chastised more for my choice of words than their content. Not sure how good the argument is, but I'm sure its full of enough potential merit, that there should be at least a smidgen of doubt.

In other words, let's be careful of how often we are using the word "confirmed". To me, two people are currently confirmed. Hijack and Hyper, and sadly that doesn't help us very much in terms of deciding who to lynch, given they are not eligible choices anymore.

He seemed to be seeing what we were seeing regarding Bookwyrm (until he wasn't). But the way he said some things at the time had some merit, maybe.
I still have him slightly leaning town based on presumably catching specific triggering wording from Ixam. Although, to be honest, I currently have him more middle of the pack. I can't quite shake the possibility its an act without a thorough re-read. That said, I'm unlikely to do a focused re-read unless he becomes a serious candidate for lynch.

I tend to believe you, Bookwyrm, TB, and JMich are town. Adalia, Ixam, Robbeasy leaning town with some reservations. Sage and Krypsyn much more neutral. Flub and CSPVG as likely scum.

I might as well put all this out there since I feel there is a decent chance I could be target of a NK given my apparent confirmation as town. You never know, but neither Bookwyrm nor myself are unlikely targets.

Here:

To me this reads as "I wasn't after a townie all day, since I went after Dedo, too". We all know that HijacK was a townie after all, so the only way this phrase makes sense is if I'm not a townie in your eyes.



Yeah, I thought so. I kind of forgot he actually stated he didn't share the reason and I had him leaning town by default because of the momentum. The Ix thing was actually the reason that I kind of ignored the Wyrm tell difference.



Pretty much the same goes for me. I'm nowhere near going him right now, but I have to admit he's making me feel somewhat Robb-uneasy. Future material, I guess.

Not too sure about JMich, but no go on him for me today.

I see i have a few things to clear up.

What I was trying to say was that with jmich, I changed my mind. That IS allowed you know...I had a rethink on his days actions, and a reread on his 'spat' with HijacK. Rereading it gave me the impression of someone going after someone else who has since been proven Town.

As for the Townie confirmation or not...

I have something specific in my wording which I looked for . It was present early on in Bookwyrms posts, and also in Ix when I questioned his claim.

Dedo's 'tell' I didnt have, and he is not confirmed town for me.

As I've said, the 'tell' sure isnt foolproof, but the interaction from rwarehall at least convinces me he is Town. Bookwyrm has been 'confirmed' town by Twilight, so I'm confident enough my tell is a good one.

Due to restrictions from the Mod outlined when he reacted to Rwarehalls post, I cant actually say what my tell is.

Although its pretty bloody obvious by now, I should think.

Let me rephrase it.
"If me being after a single person all day (which I wasn't)"
My emphasis was meant to be on "a" and "all day", not on townie. But if you do have a confession to make, feel free ;)

Ambiguity at it's finest :) Thanks for the explanation, though. Nothing to confess, just trying to reach home base before things get worse.

I'm looking at this again, and I can't agree that it 100% confirms RWarehall as town (sorry RW). It looks like it might, but I think making this assumption could be very dangerous if RW makes it to late game.

Lift is enforcing the "no quoting PM rule". To see what I mean, try to rewrite Lift's warning in a way that doesn't imply RW is either town or scum. See how long it takes you to do, and consider that Lift probably saw it and went to nip it in the bud pronto.

Here's an example, if Lift had said "You are trying to quote", then would the assumption be that RW is scum?

I know this may muddy the waters somewhat, but I want to point it out now in case 1) I don't survive the night, and 2) RW is actually scum (I'm not sure yet).

As soon as I read this I was wondering what information you had that made Dedo scum. You imply that you went after someone other than a townie on day one when you went after Dedo. I see you attempted to correct this wording slip, but I'm not sure I completely believe you. It seems you were trying to subtly accuse Dedo. If you truly have info on Dedo now is a horrible time to mention it since we are so close to a deadline and Dedo is not one of the main suspects, and that would mean you are just trying to cause confusion. That is scummy behavior.

Unvote Krypsyn
Vote JMich

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vote count

JMich - 3 (Robbeasy, flubbucket, trentonlf)
flubbucket - 2 (RWarehall, Bookwyrm627)
Sage - 1 (Ixamyakxim)
CSPVG - 1 (dedoporno)
Ixamyakxim - 1 (CSPVG)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
JMich is closest to lynch at L-4
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Personally, I still think the quoting part is a crock. As I have never seen a game where quoting role and faction titles has been considered a violation. In fact I can swear, some games have specifically mentioned lack of quoting except for role claims. So frankly, I do think my chastisement was a little out of line, but anyway...

But its your game, though I can't help but feel you changed the goal posts...

Which is worse? Allowing a no lynch, or lynching a possible townie?

Are you and RW playing together on some type of team? (I bolded) If not shouldn't you be making your up your own mind on who is what as compared to going with what someone else thinks?

I do not have a problem with another answering for someone who has been away and can not answer the question as the answer could be needed to continue on the askers thought process. What gets me here is this is the post right after dedo asked RW the question. I can see both say 4 hours ago but that is all. Was there a huge gap of time here?

In most cases a no lynch is worse. For me the exceptions are when there is no flip on lynches (like last game) or if it's a rushed lynch. Need to tread carefully in those situations.