Yes, that is what I meant with #2, the only flips are when town dies.

I find it ironic that darko voted for Ixamyakxim on day one and did not change it until he voted for RWarehall. Could be coincidence, could help explain why darko got targeted.

Good to see Hijack back (I think) ;-)

So far, few roles have required the player's survival, since they do win if the faction wins. So while town survival is needed for town to win, a townie's survival isn't. So, let's quote your post again

You do consistently use Town for the faction and Townies for individuals, yet you did say that townies survival is equally important on all games. So, newbie slip, lack of coherence, or something else entirely? Could it be that you are the one that has a different win condition from the rest of the townies?

Interesting wording - you seem to not include yourself among the townies. In regards to me though, it makes me wonder - does that mean that you consider me town but with a different win-condition or that you don't consider me town?

But to answer your question - let me quickly check flubbucket's PM to me... nope, still states the town's win-condition.

We both know that currently there's no way I could convince you about it, if you feel so inclined to think that I'm not town. Your question however smells strongly like fishing - are you getting ready for your night action and weighing your choices?

You know what you miss in all this gibberish you posted? The simple fact that if flips are hard to confirm with no coroner, I mentioned that flub's flavor might be the key to finding scum, and I find it highly suspicious you conveniently missed the word "incidentally" from my explanation, which pretty much is a variable in the equation where flub is giving us clues through flavor. You missed the entire point that my hypothesis is flub came up with the clue based on the events that transpired. TB visits Robb. Robb is scum. Robb is not PGO. How ever scum incidentally NK TB. Get it now? It was as simple as a cereal box story. The word "incidentally" was all you had to read.

In any case. I no longer believe the above mentioned scenario is the case. I keep it as a posiblity, but I tend to believe Robb for the most part. Your insistence on role fishing and blurring the lines of logic however has me suspicious of you.

The "other" scum is Robb, while the first is RWare. SK is still scum to me.

This post......it is too sweet and cute for a mafia game. I think ddickinson wants to give us diabetes or something.

Are you accusing others than yourself of anything? This is how the game plays. The way you responded here seems like butthurt to me. Don't get me wrong. Totally understandable, I sometimes react the same way, but maybe the fact that you were too unsure of yourself is what put you in this position.

Only ~220 more posts to go, and you're caught up!

I'm sorry, but I'm entirely with JMich on this one. Guessing that Robb is scum because Twilight visited him and flub mentioned you had chosen well is no better then me saying Sage is scum because she found Darko in flub's flavour. Undoubtedly flub just meant you chose well because you managed to actually see something useful (a minor miracle given how many players there are). The moderator giving you anymore information (outside that gained by your role) would basically amount to cheating, and I don't really see flub doing that.

However I don't think that's what Lift and JMich's disagreement was about (which seems to be the main reason anyone considers JMich as scummy, and therefore the only thing standing between us and lynching Ix).
Lift was pushing to lynch Robb because he thought he was scum, whereas JMich wanted him to explain a situation where Twilight would have died from visiting scum. Ironically there is actually one, Twilight being weak, which I mentioned having stumbled upon in the Wiki it after the whole thing had blown over.

He also suggested the possibility of No Lynch which has rubbed everyone the wrong way, which seems to just have been a knee jerk reaction from many, or an excuse to push a wagon by scum. Yes, in most games No Lynch is bad for town. I suggested it in my first game and it was explained why it was a bad thing, no wagon to analyse, more NK's and actions by scum etc. But this game (may not) feature some of the elements hoped to be gained by a lynch, flip and wagon. So No Lynch is viable. I think we need at least one more lynch to confirm the flip situation before we really consider it, but I can see why it was suggested.

So can someone just hammer Ix and get this day over with?

I would like HijacK to catch all the way up. Then I might hold my breath until I explode waiting for CSPVG to show up, not read the thread, and post some idiosyncratic hogwash and vote for somebody totally irrelevant.

Once those two things happen, if nobody is willing to use their brains and think about what Ixy is doing and why, I'll hammer if I have to.

Fair enough. I won't really hold my breath waiting for CSPVG, who knows when he might check in...

But if that's what it's going to take to get this lynch done and the day finished so be it.

May I ask why on a huge number of players you focus only on me and neglect everything else under the pretense that it was "already discussed"?

Is this your way to appear useful?

Also, keep in mind that it is you who kept this "gift" hidden, so don't give me this hypocritical crap that I hide stuff.

I just wanted to share my theory on someone who was not currently being discussed much. It was something I had been thinking since you made your announcement about knowing who Twilight visited. I still fail to see the point in me posting about someone if someone else has already made a much better post raising the shame points I may have had. It maybe was partly my way of appearing more useful, or at least trying to take part more. I know I have not been the most active and I have been trying to participate more.

As for my gift, I agree about your point, however, I did not dangle it in front of people and not share. I never said "I received something on day 1, but I won't say any more", kind of like how you kept talking about things you know or think you know, but don't share, or come out with I know who visited who, but I won't say just yet, for some reason. The reason I did not share is because I was over thinking the importance of the item and its flavour, thinking it could reveal someones role. As I could not find the role on the wiki, I kept quiet in case it was a town role. Had I found evidence to say the role was anti-Town, then I would have shared it straight away.

The difference, as far as I am concerned, is that I make these errors because of my poor skills playing these games, however, you come across to me as someone who is very good at these games, and I find your secretive ways to be anti-Town. You seem to act as though you are a one-man army against Scum, or Scum pretending to be Town and protect his fellow Scum while appearing to be Scum hunting. Maybe you are not Town or Scum, but some special role, which would maybe explain why you act so secretive. But I am tempted to lean more to Scum at the moment. I know I am probably wrong and misreading things, but that was my reason behind it.

Fine, fine we're not going to lynch a townie and see if they flip.

Perhaps another night to draw battle lines then?

No Lynch

You're an idiot.

NOPE! Trent is known to juggle with votes like that. I've noticed him do it both as scum and as town, so that says nothing about him. I believe yog already explained if he had some backing he would totally go for JMich, backing which previously was not there from trent. Adalia most likely just OMGUS voted for trent because he has JMich as pro town for some reason, even though if you ask me JMich so far only muddied waters and made logical stuff look like a mess. Seems like a nice change if you ask me. Things are going SOOOOOO SLOOOOOW. Like wtf, I am used to speed of light games.

Something for everyone.

Or maybe TB was scum cop. You haven't thought about this, have you? Of course you haven't.

Also, let me say this. Statistics of 1 case are not even statistics. Thus, by having only one lynch you have no concrete proof there is for certain no flip, neither statistically nor by the scientific method.

What if I answer yes and say because lack of communication added with confusion inducing arguments doesn't help town?

Here's the thing that makes you extremely suspicious. Unlike Mrk, who sugar coats the hell out of an argument and can sell you a wreck for the price of a limo, you twist a direction only in your desired path. Nothing wrong with that, but our views conflict here and so we will have to clash.

Let me give you an ala HijacK response for all those "genius" theories: Stupidity overloaded.

An effective way of getting others to share while sharing nth - duly noted.


I'm impressed.


Interesting that you consider that a universal logic that everyone accepts and practices exists.


You've already placed one vote. Does this one mean that you have a second one or did the fact you've already voted just slipped your mind?