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spinefarm: I actually know a lot of pirates that buy GOG games after pirated them first. So it's a win win anyways...
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GameRager: Agreed. I'm one of them. I still pirate older impossible to buy titles but when I can afford a few games here I send the money GOG's way ASAP(or have someone do it for me until I can afford to pay them back.).

Also some here say games aren't necessary but I say otherwise. Yes you can live without them but I feel they are an essential part of our culture and to miss out on part of one's culture because one cannot afford such things(and one can make their own copy without taking a copy or resources from the one's who made the product, thus depriving them of said product/resources PHYSICALLY.) to me is just ridiculous. (Bear in mind i'm talking about older media/entertainment here, like 10+ years old, where a company/etc has made their money back and then some but won't release the IP into the wild for public consumption while hiding behind crazy-long copyright terms.)
To be honest I will gladly pirate some of the games on GOG to play them cause I can't afford them atm. But for sure I will populate my shelf when I can. Cause the site is awesome,the community is awesome and the whole idea reviving DRM-free gaming is cool in my eyes.
So yeah pirates are not different type of ppl. They are gamers too like all the ppl hating them.
The awfull part is that gamers that can afford buying games hate ppl that can't afford buying games... that suck..
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spinefarm: Mate there are ppl out there that can't aford bread to eat...so for them is expensive :) 5-10$ is not much...but still I don't believe numbers like that hurt so much and actually I think piracy is helping sites like GOG... do you see a Steam section on sites like that?
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EdgeZombie: Games are not an essential good, trying to justify piracy in this way is completely invalid.
Yes dude and a 9.99$ is my money for eating 2 days so yes I do preffer to eat than buy a game. If I make money I will never pirate games ;)
Post edited April 01, 2012 by spinefarm
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orcishgamer: This is actually fairly untrue, psychologically our species has benefited from games and the social behavior they promote since before we could write. Video games are very much like sports and dice/cards in this respect.
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SimonG: As I stated many times in piracy threads, the issue people have with piracy is psychological, not economical. They don't like that someone else gets something free that they paid for. They feel cheated and taken advantage of. And they totally miss the point. But with all the fallacies of human behavior, this is probably going to last a bit.
I've known this for quite some time now, oddly enough.....I just never mentioned my thoughts out of fear of being called stupid/etc.......it's the old free rider "dilemma" and how people react to it, I think.
Thanks for reminding me, I have to keep working on those downloads.

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Post edited April 01, 2012 by Foxhack
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SimonG: As I stated many times in piracy threads, the issue people have with piracy is psychological, not economical. They don't like that someone else gets something free that they paid for. They feel cheated and taken advantage of. And they totally miss the point. But with all the fallacies of human behavior, this is probably going to last a bit.
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GameRager: I've known this for quite some time now, oddly enough.....I just never mentioned my thoughts out of fear of being called stupid/etc.......it's the old free rider "dilemma" and how people react to it, I think.
Yeah Rager we are stupid in some peoples eyes because we make a difference between people who have 2000-2500$ a month paychecks and people who have to live with 500$ a month.
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ZapMcRaygunn: Don't worry about it, friend, I'm not to happy with the government here either right now. I'm even more upset with the media that keeps screaming about how wonderful the economy is when I'm facing life under the bridge. You have a good point about advertising as well. For example, Abandonia is now sending users to GOG.
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spinefarm: Dude my blog is full of post about GOG and I was a pirate too... I do still pirate tv shows and yes I don't care if people claim me as a pirate.

All goverments suck... but US goverment is not a goverment of the ppl...it's a goverment of the corporations and that kinda makes all US citizents their slaves. I just love how they psycho the population there with awfull news all day every day.
Does anyone still believe that Osama made 9/11 :) It's all bout the money
I don't belive your 9/11 conspiracy theories and it's funny to see people complaining about goverments. Example in Greece people didn't have any problems with goverment when they were given lavish social benefits, where they think the gorverment got those funds from trees? And now everybody is crying because its time to pay the bill, what else you did expect to happend?
Post edited April 01, 2012 by uulav
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GameRager: Agreed. I'm one of them. I still pirate older impossible to buy titles but when I can afford a few games here I send the money GOG's way ASAP(or have someone do it for me until I can afford to pay them back.).

Also some here say games aren't necessary but I say otherwise. Yes you can live without them but I feel they are an essential part of our culture and to miss out on part of one's culture because one cannot afford such things(and one can make their own copy without taking a copy or resources from the one's who made the product, thus depriving them of said product/resources PHYSICALLY.) to me is just ridiculous. (Bear in mind i'm talking about older media/entertainment here, like 10+ years old, where a company/etc has made their money back and then some but won't release the IP into the wild for public consumption while hiding behind crazy-long copyright terms.)
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spinefarm: To be honest I will gladly pirate some of the games on GOG to play them cause I can't afford them atm. But for sure I will populate my shelf when I can. Cause the site is awesome,the community is awesome and the whole idea reviving DRM-free gaming is cool in my eyes.
So yeah pirates are not different type of ppl. They are gamers too like all the ppl hating them.
The awful part is that gamers that can afford buying games hate ppl that can't afford buying games... that suck..
IMO the real "funny" bit is how some will bemoan piracy(due to the aforementioned jealousy of the "free rider".) of games while often pirating or encouraging others to pirate other forms of media like music/old tv shows/movies/etc. (I know, I know....not all do this, but many who complain about piracy do......then there's all the generalization that all pirates are alike/the same level of evil/etc.)

I wonder about this now: What if images of famous places and such were copyrighted and couldn't be distributed without permission or a person buying them, and poor people who couldn't travel to see those places in person could either download the images of said places and see them or never see them at all? (Like how would people feel about said poor downloading said images/videos/etc.) I dunno if this example holds up but it sprang to mind just now regardless.

(I mean, like some said seeing such things isn't needed to live, right?)
Post edited April 01, 2012 by GameRager
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spinefarm: Dude my blog is full of post about GOG and I was a pirate too... I do still pirate tv shows and yes I don't care if people claim me as a pirate.

All goverments suck... but US goverment is not a goverment of the ppl...it's a goverment of the corporations and that kinda makes all US citizents their slaves. I just love how they psycho the population there with awfull news all day every day.
Does anyone still believe that Osama made 9/11 :) It's all bout the money
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uulav: I don't belive your 9/11 conspiracy theories and it's funny to see people complaining about goverments. Exaple in Greece people didn't have any problems with goverment when they were given lavish social benefits, where they think the gorverment got those funds from trees? And now everybody is crying because its time to pay the bill, what else you did expect to happend?
I don't live in Greece and people don't complain about the benefits to be honest. They complain about where the fuck did 200 bilion euro go. If you show me one poor politician I will agree with your point :)
And about 9/11 yeah it is a conspiracy... but in my life i've never heard of steel melting from jet fuel :) And US goverment told that to ppl :D
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GameRager: 'snip
That is a really good point GameRager, I haven't thought of it like that before.
Post edited April 01, 2012 by Thunderstone
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spinefarm: To be honest I will gladly pirate some of the games on GOG to play them cause I can't afford them atm. But for sure I will populate my shelf when I can. Cause the site is awesome,the community is awesome and the whole idea reviving DRM-free gaming is cool in my eyes.
So yeah pirates are not different type of ppl. They are gamers too like all the ppl hating them.
The awful part is that gamers that can afford buying games hate ppl that can't afford buying games... that suck..
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GameRager: IMO the real "funny" bit is how some will bemoan piracy(due to the aforementioned jealousy of the "free rider".) of games while often pirating or encouraging others to pirate other forms of media like music/old tv shows/movies/etc. (I know, I know....not all do this, but many who complain about piracy do......then there's all the generalization that all pirates are alike/the same level of evil/etc.)

I wonder about this now: What if images of famous places and such were copyrighted and couldn't be distributed without permission or a person buying them, and poor people who couldn't travel to see those places in person could either download the images of said places and see them or never see them at all, how people would feel about said poor downloading said images/videos/etc. I dunno if this example holds up but it sprang to mind just now regardless.
Actually pictures like that are copyrighted :) And ppl still use them for Wallpapers and stuff...so Yeah all of you ppl out there are pirates. One thing is more funny that actually The Scene (Piracy community) is a lot better than every other community out there. They fight with DRM like one...
Googling a picture of Eifel Tower is piracy. You see it without paying 20 euros to be on it. So we should crucify you ! Yeah crucifiction for all :D
Post edited April 01, 2012 by spinefarm
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GameRager: IMO the real "funny" bit is how some will bemoan piracy(due to the aforementioned jealousy of the "free rider".) of games while often pirating or encouraging others to pirate other forms of media like music/old tv shows/movies/etc. (I know, I know....not all do this, but many who complain about piracy do......then there's all the generalization that all pirates are alike/the same level of evil/etc.)

I wonder about this now: What if images of famous places and such were copyrighted and couldn't be distributed without permission or a person buying them, and poor people who couldn't travel to see those places in person could either download the images of said places and see them or never see them at all, how people would feel about said poor downloading said images/videos/etc. I dunno if this example holds up but it sprang to mind just now regardless.
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spinefarm: Actually pictures like that are copyrighted :) And ppl still use them for Wallpapers and stuff...so Yeah all of you ppl out there are pirates. One thing is more funny that actually The Scene (Piracy community) is a lot better than every other community out there. They fight with DRM like one...
Googling a picture of Eifel Tower is piracy. You see it without paying 20 euros to be on it. So we should crucify you ! Yeah crucifiction for all :D
I believe using such shots commercially is copyrighted in some instances(like if you claim to be the owner/representative of the French tourist bureau/Eiffel Tower/etc and use the images to make money.), but not ALL......I meant if such images were copyrighted for ALL uses, even private, non-commercial ones(like private viewing).
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spinefarm: Actually pictures like that are copyrighted :) And ppl still use them for Wallpapers and stuff...so Yeah all of you ppl out there are pirates. One thing is more funny that actually The Scene (Piracy community) is a lot better than every other community out there. They fight with DRM like one...
Googling a picture of Eifel Tower is piracy. You see it without paying 20 euros to be on it. So we should crucify you ! Yeah crucifiction for all :D
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GameRager: I believe using such shots commercially is copyrighted in some instances(like if you claim to be the owner/representative of the French tourist bureau/Eiffel Tower/etc and use the images to make money.), but not ALL......I meant if such images were copyrighted for ALL uses, even private, non-commercial ones(like private viewing).
Google is comercial using.... so when type Eiffel Tower wallpaper and downloading it you actully pirate it :) Cause ppl do make money from clicks on their sites :) I'm guessing you will understand my point if you look outside the box for a sec ;)
Post edited April 01, 2012 by spinefarm
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spinefarm: Actually pictures like that are copyrighted
Well, except the ones that aren't. But even among pictures protected by copyright, the permissible usage varies from one country to another and often depend further on licensing terms so your blanket statement isn't all that convincing.
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GameRager: I believe using such shots commercially is copyrighted in some instances(like if you claim to be the owner/representative of the French tourist bureau/Eiffel Tower/etc and use the images to make money.), but not ALL......I meant if such images were copyrighted for ALL uses, even private, non-commercial ones(like private viewing).
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spinefarm: Google is comercial using.... so when type Eiffel Tower wallpaper and downloading it you actully pirate it :) Cause ppl do make money from clicks on their sites :) I'm guessing you will understand my point if you look outside the box for a sec ;)
Then Google would be at fault and not the ones downloading it........don't get me wrong here....i'm on your side on a few of these issues, but if you want to present a convincing argument you need to get your facts straight. ;)
Sorry but two wrongs won't make it right. Many owners of those pictures don't care what people do with them in private use. But i am quite sure that owners of gog care that their hard work is being distributed freely over the web. They are small company so every lost sale hurts.
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spinefarm: Google is comercial using.... so when type Eiffel Tower wallpaper and downloading it you actully pirate it :) Cause ppl do make money from clicks on their sites :) I'm guessing you will understand my point if you look outside the box for a sec ;)
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GameRager: Then Google would be at fault and not the ones downloading it........don't get me wrong here....i'm on your side on a few of these issues, but if you want to present a convincing argument you need to get your facts straight. ;)
No no my whole idea was that Google gives such options to ppl and nobody complains about it...I'm not pointing fingers with that. Nobody is complaining about FB & Google selling personal info of ppl to corporations. Nobody is complaining about the 200mil credit card hacked this days in US.

The strangest thing for me: small companies like the indie devs don't complain about their sales,companies like GOG/CD Projekt don't complain about theirs sales. And all the indie games sold on bundles/steam etc. can be pirated. But still devs are making new games.
The problem is elsewhere. And a lot of ppl don't get it. With recent events in US(a lot of ppl got screwed up with the recesion) they are starting to understand why ppl outside US pirate games.
Let me put it this way. With 400-500$ a month (when I have a job) my choice is eat,pay bills and by clothes or buy games... yeah I preffer to buy food. But yet I'm a gamer and I love games...so what to do..either rob a bank/kill someone/sell drugs or just pirate the game.... You see my point now?
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uulav: Sorry but two wrongs won't make it right. Many owners of those pictures don't care what people do with them in private use. But i am quite sure that owners of gog care that their hard work is being distributed freely over the web. They are small company so every lost sale hurts.
Dude I'm on GOG because of a torrent file found on demonoid. So yeah torrents do good advertising for small companies like GOG.
Post edited April 01, 2012 by spinefarm