You did what?????

So are you saying that you voted Dess just to provide a 2nd counter-wagon at the end of the day? Why would anyone who is town want to do this? So your vote on Dess wasn't primarily because he was scummy, but because you want to make sure there was a second wagon? This makes no sense whatsoever...

I couldn't sleep, so let's do my full ISO of Bookwyrm. This may give people more perspective. I've found him scummy since early day 1.

Starting Post 8, or the 4th post of the game...he gives Hyper his 2nd vote before anyone else has been voted. This immediately raised my eyebrows. And on top of that, he makes his Vig shot claim. Usually, people try to avoid doubling up votes so early. And not only did he start this very early wagon, he soft-claims talking about killing him.

Post 13: Not sure what to make of, but he already lists players he spare from his barrage of Vig shots (Meda, Sage and Yog) for being new or absent for awhile, as well as his "Hate to have as scum list" which presumably includes (Hyper from last post, Flub, me and Yogs), plus more Vig shot use talk. (Included because its interesting that a list has been formed so early in the game.

Post 35: Votes Yogsloth for being a liar after Yogs talks about his proposed killing rampage including a NK of JMich. States he is town.

Post 42: Questions Meda about her very early list. Pokes again about it in post 66. Where he curiously points out that Lift has been SK more often than scum. Probably a stretch, but can possibly be construed as providing cover.

Post 106 States he would say he was town like that no matter what his alignment. Discusses that such claims are worthless and after being pressed by Dess, tries to justify his post 8 Vig shenanigans as being "worth it" while admitting to losing track of all the useful commentary it supposedly provoked.

Interesting to note, despite his grand plan to supposedly kickstart the game out of RVS, posts a lot of RVS fluff in the the intervening posts to this point.

Post 147: Switches his vote to Lift over his "history of being too loyal to scum partners" comment which is a direct reference to last game, calling it a slip. (Can be taken as LAMIST)

Post 200: Responds to Dessimu's response to Yogs "peeking N0 asking how that is a "soft" claim.
Post 207: Switches his vote to Dessimu without any real reason except "not really feeling this Yog lynch" Followed by "I think I like this wagon more" (Have to wonder if he picked up on Dess being the cop here. Very odd vote switch which is made odder my his comments just now about why he voted Dess) (To me, the last line really pings me. The use of the word "wagon" in that context makes it appear he is just voting to vote.

To this point he's talked a good game of getting serious early, but to this point he hasn't, instead joking a lot and asking very simple questions, getting a simple answer and then probing no further. Then he limps onto Dessimu's wagon with no real explanation. Certainly can be classified as "actively floating" outside of his soft claim of Vig. And jumping on the "wagon" of the first person to question Yogs about his claim.

***to be continued***

I've skimmed through the latest posts, but don't have time to properly read everything or address anything. I reread JMich a bit earlier, but can't say I see a flubbucket/JMich connection.

I saw flubbucket's post #588 after hitting the post button of my last post last night, but didn't have the energy to wait the 10 minutes. Doesn't say much, but I've been in his shoes, so I think I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for today. More so after medamiedo's latest change of stance, and particularly the way it happened - flubbucket's wagon suddenly feels gross, when she spent most of D2 pushing for it; cristigale's push on JMich felt fake, yet she didn't say anything when there was ample time to discuss it, and is now pushing for a "flashwagon" in the last few hours before deadline. After what happened D1. Based on a '"conflicted gut". Or so she says.


Vote medamiedo


Got to run.

Post 231 He chides both me and Flub claiming "we should know better this this" with no further explanation. I incorrectly think he's chiding me for my "Not saying I am or I am not" line being construed as a soft claim of some sort, when he is apparently chiding us for not knowing about the lack of role flips which he clarifies in 236. This is the first time he seems to say anything all that serious in between his joking around and softball questions.

Post 242: Asks Yogs directly whether he's the cop or vig. (Now this really pings me. For someone who seems on board with these soft claims to provoke reactions and who has his vote on one of the first people to disagree with Yogs over it, why is he now demanded a straight answer to whether Yogs is the Vig or Cop? It makes no sense)

Post 271 Responds to Hyper's probe of why he's voting Dess. "Could be scum, too early to be really sure. I do think he's worth a vote." and in response to why Yogs should claim "If he claims and flips town, then everyone can be relatively sure that role is gone" which makes no sense from a town perspective when Yogs is still at L-2. How is asking someone to reveal if they are the cop, towny? Why is his vote still on Dess? This just smells of role fishing.

Post 280 His full reads list, again with the "not feeling the Yog lynch. Doesn't feel right, and I don't like how it built. Feels like scum are on here, though I'm not sure how many. Almost certainly not all of them, but maybe two?"
The "I'm fine with a Dessimu lynch, and I'd be happier with Dessimu over Yogsloth" line just seems off. If you are so fine with a Dess lynch, why talk of how much happier you are with his lynch than Yogsloth's? It really makes me wonder.

All the while, he has given no real reason why he's staying off Yog or really why he is on Dess. It just feels off, like he might be keeping his excuses open for whichever mislynch occurs. This when he lists 5 other people he "could lynch" "wouldn't mind lynching" or that "bother him" whose "protection ends" after today. And then shades me as a 6th while making no sort of push for any of them. Then pokes Meda asking her to "Show she's Town by voting Dess".

And after 1 reply to Christie talking about lack of knowledge of role flips, he's done for the rest of the day only to "claim" he got online with 90 seconds to go when we restart.

Seriously, what does anyone see that is really town here? Besides Book soft-claiming a role at the beginning of the game and claiming to be pushing the game to get serious early. All I see are a handful of superficial questions that he doesn't ever follow up on, a lot of RVS jokes, and vague non-reasons why he doesn't want to vote Yogs and is voting Dess mixed with scum-reading 5 other people. This just smacks of "actively floating in plain sight". The only time he seems to get really serious is when he directly asks Yogs which claim is true.

Post 411. Last paragraph. And post 435.


Post 211 to be exact, where you can't think of any reason a town would want to be unreadable. You also mention that stating one wants to be unreadable is not a town post.

VOTE COUNT

medamiedo @ L-2 - trentonlf, HypersomniacLive, Bookwyrm627, JMich

flubbucket @ L-3 - Sage103082, RWarehall, cristigale
Sage103082 @ L-4 - flubbucket, Lifthrasil
cristigale @ L-5 - medamiedo

<span class="bold">DAY 2 COUNTDOWN</span>

(bold I did)
So you know exactly who town is and that they are not active with their votes? How are sure of who is town? And now you just want to die? At this point in the game town should be fighting to figure things out, not giving up. Either way giving up itself is bad.


I at this point can not vote flub when I find meda way more scum. And I may not be here by the time limit as I am starting my drive to jersey in a few.

Unvote Flub

Vote medamiedo

I miss this when copying from word and want to add it before I leave as I really would like to hear Medas answer. I waited my 10 minutes to be able to.

This close to the deadline and you change your vote from Flub to someone who has no votes at all. Why? What do you find so scummy about cristigal?

VOTE COUNT

medamiedo @ L-1 - Sage103082, trentonlf, HypersomniacLive, Bookwyrm627, JMich

Sage103082 @ L-4 - flubbucket, Lifthrasil
flubbucket @ L-4 - RWarehall, cristigale
cristigale @ L-5 - medamiedo

<span class="bold">DAY 2 COUNTDOWN</span>

Forget the flashwagon vote part. I'm not sure what to make of this part...

@ Meda Traditionally here, when someone hits L-1, this is where we try to hold up and give you a chance to give us your parting thoughts. Often, in the event someone actually is town, this is your chance to leave the rest of us with your final reads. Of course if you are scum, you will probably do your best to mislead us. In any event, here's your chance for one last appeal or to leave us with your final thoughts.

I'm personally not sure what to make of you. While a lot of your actions seem rather scummy, I'm finding it hard to see scum purpose in what you have done unless you came in intending to confuse us. Maybe a lot of it is culture clash, but there is enough here (and with the collapse of every other choice) I feel I will have to hammer.

I'll leave you some time to compose a final post.

I helped build a wagon on a player for whom I didn't have a strong town read, when the alternative was letting a wagon on a player I was reading as more town go virtually unopposed.

If the only real wagon is on a single player at deadline, then scum don't have to say anything but "lets lynch him to avoid no lynch". I helped force having to make a choice for the D1 lynch.

Mmgrghaj mviy mrmam mmgraghm.

*swallows*

Sorry, couldn't speak for all the words that just got put in my mouth. There is so much misconstruction here that I don't feel like I even need to respond to most of it; just read my original posts. Unless someone else has specific questions, I'm not going to spend the time to respond to this mess.

I see Meda is offline. I will be back at 11 am to hammer, giving her two hours and leaving an hour before deadline.

In the event she posts and this ends early, while I think there is now a decent chance I get left alive, just in case...

I'm pretty convinced Bookwyrm is scum and I really think he was trying to distract from Flub's lynch which interestingly got derailed.
Meda's alignment should provide a fair bit of information. Not sure if she was bussing Flub and then trying to blame everyone else for doing that or what she means by her repeated references to it being a "scum lynch" or "bussing". Her flip should help. If Meda is scum, that pretty much clears JMich (it doesn't look like bussing at all to me). If not, I'm also worried about him as he seems to have been quite focused on "low-hanging fruit" or in other words, easy cases to push. He could be the other scum (or one of the others if I'm somehow wrong about one of Book/Flub). He sure seems to make a big deal over little things like the lack of qualification regarding if Dessimu is double-tapped when we all know that is what happened. And the way he responded sure came off with a dose of role-fishing.

Anyway, I'll be back at 11.

Bookwyrm, you are scummy as hell. So, you are saying you created a second wagon to provide competition? So if Yogs was really scum you would be providing scum an easy wagon to push instead? That the stupidest thing I heard all day.

This makes zero sense at all. We can catch scum by seeing who is forming the counterwagon. And now you are trying to claim you are forming counterwagons for the sake of town? You know how to play better than that...let's form a counterwagon, let them jump on that one instead, and NOW we've caught them (and can lynch them tomorrow after we lose another townie today).

Show me where you did ANYTHING day 1 except WIFOM at the beginning.

Furthermore...where is your push in Day 2 to make a second wagon to "give town all this useful information" about scum in regards to Flub or Meda? And where are your grand results from the 2nd wagon from Day 1?

Just one hour and a half to go and you are at L-1. And there isn't a viable counter-wagon present. And RWare already announced he would hammer - and so will I, rather then let it go to a no-lynch. So, would you like to claim or contribute anything before the Day ends?


@RWare: some good points on Bookwyrm, but if you see him as so scummy, why didn't you vote him but just let your vote on flubb sit there? A last minute 'I have an insight!'-wagon could have taken off much better with votes on it than without, you know? (Or it would have been read as attempted, scummy counter-wagon) In any case, your words and your vote don't match.

I get the feeling she doesn't have anything to say