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General discussionForum Mafia #47: It tastes like chicken (You won't believe it's flavorless!)(725 posts)(725 posts)
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Posted April 24, 2017
Put another way:

The timeline here is - I posted a certain way.

You voted for me.

You then observed that I "my game got better".

You still vote for me.

What does a game getting "better" actually mean, and when do you use it to influence your opinion?

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I mean, I suppose I could just stop now and we can all follow flubbucket and Sage to victory. I'm sure they've almost got the game solved even as we speak.
Posted April 24, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: As for the second one, perhaps I should rephrase it as would you expect him to use a phrasing within the spirit of your examples or what you've witnessed before, if he wanted was to shake some trees and see what falls?
As I already wrote, yes. I would have expected town yog to write something in the spirit of the examples I gave. That's why I gave them... and, as I also wrote repeatedly, I would not have expected town-yogs to outright softclaim 2 contradicting roles on Day one just to 'shake some trees'. But I can imagine scum-yogs to do something like that. Is now everything clear?

But a question back at you: what do you think of yog's behaviour and soft claims? Is that really all just 'shaking trees' to you? Do you have him as leaning town or as leaning scum?

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medamiedo: ...
@medamiedo: same question to you. You haven't reacted AT ALL to yog's soft claims, even though the second one wasn't that soft at all. Why is that? I think that's something quite big for Day 1 and it would warrant reacting to it. So, what do you think of yogs and his claims?
Posted April 24, 2017
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yogsloth: OK, so what does "better" mean. Does "better" mean "Townier"? I suppose not, as you still desire to lynch me.

Does it mean "more active"?

What does it mean and how does it impact your decision to vote?
"Active" alone never equals to being "townier". Your post seems generally helpful in reminding everybody of Town's goal while presenting a possible strategy. I kind of like the reason from [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_47_it_tastes_like_chicken_you_wont_believe_its_flavorless/post250]#250 for town-reading RW. But again - perspective. You are at L-2.

How is it that of all players, you alone make town-reads and on top of that - more town-reads than scum-reads?

How is it that your town-reads are the players, who are voting you, who are contributing to your lynch but not outsiders?

How can I blindly trust your judgement when the very same actions can be used for scum to win favor among the crowd and save himself?
Posted April 25, 2017
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Dessimu: How is it that of all players, you alone make town-reads and on top of that - more town-reads than scum-reads?
Definitely a skill developed on MU. Town-clearing can be as useful as scum-hunting over the long haul. I don't even need to know who the Scum are if I can town-clear enough people to leave a POE small enough to lynch through.

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Dessimu: How is it that your town-reads are the players, who are voting you, who are contributing to your lynch but not outsiders?
I admit it's a bit of a cheap trick, but dammit, it just keeps working.

Step 1) Do whatever pops into my head to provoke a reaction
Step 2) Measure responses against meta
Step 3) Profit


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Dessimu: How can I blindly trust your judgement when the very same actions can be used for scum to win favor among the crowd and save himself?
Interesting phrasing, considering my vote is on you.
Posted April 25, 2017
I apologize in advanced if something I touch on has been beat to death in conversations and or answered already. I am reading from where I left off and posting as I go.

UNVOTE HYPER -

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Bookwyrm627: Did a little looking because it is sometimes fun to lul at old games, and I realized something: Lift has apparently been an SK more often than he has been scum.
Why bring up other games and point this out? Seems a bit of .. well if it has been this way so much before then we should just assume.
Posted April 25, 2017
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yogsloth: Step 1) Do whatever pops into my head to provoke a reaction
Step 2) Measure responses against meta
Step 3) Profit
This one made me laugh.

Despite everything and anything, you do realize that in case you get lynched and even if you don't, your outcome gives most of the info, juice and whatnot for town to analyze, right?
Posted April 25, 2017
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yogsloth: Lift is Town btw.
And you know this how. Gut feeling? Something he posted that is a dead give away one way or the other?

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HypersomniacLive: Dessimu must be gravely disappointed.
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Dessimu: Almost to the point to electrocute flub myself. Those magazines would have made me rich. Flubbucket is popular, right?

I agree with RWarehall on Bookwyrm's possible claim or whatever it is. Not a fan of such things. Theoretically:
- if I am Town vanilla, I get frustrated
- if I am Town PR, I get frustrated
- if I am Mafia goon, I get scared
- if I am Mafia PR, I get scared

In all cases, attention distorted. Nothing else I can say that isn't known.

But! One thing I find curious: Lifthrasil, why do you go in such a great and delicate detail, pondering whether Bookwyrm is pulling our noses or not and what does having vig shots in his case mean, that you even break your RVS within just 7 posts in the game, yet vote Yogsloth for being Yogsloth? In my eyes, you swallowed the very first odd hook; gave insight, usable for both townies and scum; finally left it all for others to do whatever.

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JMich: And if you vote without unvoting often, it may be seen as an attempt to gain sympathy without harming the one you try to move your vote to.
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Dessimu: I understand that you remind this player to follow "Proper Voting Procedure" but what is the point for teaching "This Particular Kind Of Behavior Is Considered Scummy, So Avoid It"? A reminder without an additional lesson would have sufficed.

I don't like it. Could be nothing, but also could be teaching mafia buddy to look better. So for my first serious vote - Unvote Lifthrasil, Vote JMich

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medamiedo: on second thought that is p blatantly a scumpost
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Dessimu: Is this an "Oops, I didn't mean it"?

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medamiedo: @dess why are you trying to prolong rvs if rvs is over? why do you dislike that lift killed rvs?
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Dessimu: I can't prolong RVS. I like it and skipping it early feels meh. Lifthrasil killed his too soon in my eyes for the first oddball in the game.
To me this seems retundant to much of what hyper has to say. and then jumping on Jmich. To me jmich post doesnt seem to lean one way or the other. Just more a statement.


**I am going to be reading a few pages and posting those pages and then going back to reading and then posting again. As to not have a million small posts.
Posted April 25, 2017
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yogsloth: Step 1) Do whatever pops into my head to provoke a reaction
Step 2) Measure responses against meta
Step 3) Profit
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Dessimu: This one made me laugh.

Despite everything and anything,you do realize that in case you get lynched and even if you don't, your outcome gives most of the info, juice and whatnot for town to analyze, right?
So are you saying you'll NK him? I mean how else will we get info if he's not lynched?
Posted April 25, 2017
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Dessimu: Despite everything and anything, you do realize that in case you get lynched and even if you don't, your outcome gives most of the info, juice and whatnot for town to analyze, right?
I KNOW RIGHT
Posted April 25, 2017
Sage,

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Sage103082: UNVOTE HYPER -
As of latest votecount:

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dedoporno: VOTE COUNT

yogsloth @ L-2 - flubbucket, RWarehall, Lifthrasil, JMich, Dessimu

Dessimu @ L-3 - Sage103082, trentonlf, Bookwyrm627, yogsloth
Lifthrasil @ L-6 - medamiedo

Not voting - HypersomniacLive, cristigale

<span class="bold">DAY 1 COUNTDOWN</span>
Your vote is on me. Moreover, you have never voted HypersomniacLive in the first place.

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trentonlf: So are you saying you'll NK him? I mean how else will we get info if he's not lynched?
Ever heard of analyzing wagons and such? Or does a player has to be dead to gain any insight?
Posted April 25, 2017
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Dessimu: Sage,

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Sage103082: UNVOTE HYPER -
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Dessimu: As of latest votecount:

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dedoporno: VOTE COUNT

yogsloth @ L-2 - flubbucket, RWarehall, Lifthrasil, JMich, Dessimu

Dessimu @ L-3 - Sage103082, trentonlf, Bookwyrm627, yogsloth
Lifthrasil @ L-6 - medamiedo

Not voting - HypersomniacLive, cristigale

<span class="bold">DAY 1 COUNTDOWN</span>
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Dessimu: Your vote is on me. Moreover, you have never voted HypersomniacLive in the first place.

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trentonlf: So are you saying you'll NK him? I mean how else will we get info if he's not lynched?
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Dessimu: Ever heard of analyzing wagons and such? Or does a player has to be dead to gain any insight?
You said his outcome if he does not get lynched, an outcome requires something to happen. So again I'll ask do you plan on NK him?
Posted April 25, 2017
We have twelve hours until EOD.

Which for most of us will not precisely be convenient to be online.

The time is now.
Posted April 25, 2017
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trentonlf: You said his outcome if he does not get lynched, an outcome requires something to happen. So again I'll ask do you plan on NK him?
Day ending with a player having gathered most votes, yet not enough for a lynch, is an outcome of this player during said Day and worth looking into. Action - gathering those votes. Fishing much?
Posted April 25, 2017
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trentonlf: You said his outcome if he does not get lynched, an outcome requires something to happen. So again I'll ask do you plan on NK him?
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Dessimu: Day ending with a player having gathered most votes, yet not enough for a lynch, is an outcome of this player during said Day and worth looking into. Action - gathering those votes. Fishing much?
Fishing? LOL
I guess you are squirming like a worm on the end of a line, so sure I'm fishing. You ready to fess up yet?
Posted April 25, 2017
We must lynch. Even if it's me.

No lynch means we do it all over again tomorrow with no information and likely down two Townies overnight.
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