Thanks for the concise repeat. (No cynism here, I really mean it. That was helpful)
I thought I had answered the first of those questions already. Well, formally what Bookwyrm did and what yogsloth did fall into the same category, soft-claiming, but it feels rather different. Bookwyrm's post was an ambigous post that can be read as a soft-claim or can also be read as pure banter. Bookwyrm has done that in the past as town. So it kind of fits. That doesn't mean he's town. But it is also not enough to condemn him, even if I don't like that way of playing.
Yogsloth, however, talked openly about nightkilling someone and announced several other kill intentions. And as I have already elaborated, while it is true that yogs is always a loose cannon, this one felt too much over the top for town-yogs. At least more over the top than I remember from town-yogs. My impression is, that as town yogs likes to call for blood and throw out a lot of silliness, but as scum he stirs up a lot more dust and makes outrageous claims, aiming for 'so much over the top that no one takes him serious any more'. And the later not-so-soft claim fits exactly into that theory. So there's your difference between those two and my reason to vote for yogs.

Second question: not exactly my phrasing of course. He would find some sillier phrasing. But something in the spirit of the examples I wrote, yes. I have witnessed yogs writing things like: "Lynch someone already! Anyone!" or "I want to kill you so much right now." or "If I had a dayvig-power, you'd be dead already." or even "Blood, blood, murder" (don't remember the exact phrasing). But an outright announcement "I am going to nightkill you" is new. That's not a call for blood, that's not a call for action to others. That's an announcement of intent and an implication of a night-killing role and I wouldn't have expected that from town-yogs.

Frankly, I see little to no actual contribution from you about anything. For someone previously asking Lift for his prior games, you seem awfully dismissive of player's past performances. We've played with Yogs a lot. He does crazy things, sometimes as town. Sometimes as scum. And it seems to work because most people avoid voting him because they get confused. Look up South Park and the Chewbacca defense why don't you...

So far this game, Yogs has claimed a power to kill at night and parity cop, which are mutually exclusive. His actual contribution to us, is as diddly squat as the "lurkers" he wants to kill. Maybe its just me, but I remember Yogs actually contributing little "tidbits of wisdom" when he was town. Moreso than a single declaration that Lift is town. On this basis, I think he is really scum this game. It's more than the lying. It's the total lack of anything useful at all beyond his single town read of Lift.

@HSL How can you buy that as a claim when he has claimed the power to nightkill (Vig) previously? Unless he comes out and states unequivocally that he has this role, I don't see that as a claim, just more shenanigans. For anyone else, that's a claim.

As to Bookwyrm, the statement "I think I like this wagon more" pings me as off. Bookwyrm did not say, he thinks Dess is scum or give reasons. He instead is interested in jumping on a "wagon". No offense, but most town want to lynch scum, not "jump on wagons". It's one of the disconnects I look for. Like last game where Lift was asked about his vote on Adalia and instead of explaining why he suspected him, he talked about how he was prone to tunneling. As if he was already admitting it was a bad vote.

Same thing here. Bookwyrm likes this "wagon" more, not the lynch necessarily. No reasons given.

A townie that reads as townie is hard to be lynched, thus he becomes a prime candidate for a night kill. For a vanilla town that is not a problem, but for a town power role that may be a big problem. So we go in the WIFOM territory of needing to not appear fully town, no matter whether you have a role or not, so scum skips the night kill to push a lynch instead, and a wagon can be analyzed (even if that's rare).

So yes, I do prefer to be unreadable, whether I'm town or not, whether I have a power role or not. It means that either scum have to take a gamble and waste a night kill on me, or that someone has to make a proper case as to why I should be the one to be lynched.


Irrelevant. See his first post in the thread. Assuming his claim is true is most likely going to get him night killed, saying his claim is false is quite likely to get him lynched. At this point, those two posts just add to the confusion.
If you think he is the parity cop he said he'll kill first, do not vote for him, and hope the doctor will be looking at him. If you do not think he's the parity cop, you tell us whether you think that's a claim (and thus he should be voted) or if that's not a claim but a smokescreen to draw the night kill in.

Well, I have about an hour left before work. When I get home, that's the last window before deadline.

So where I stand...
I will vote for either Yogs or Bookwyrm because I think they are the most likely scum for the reasons I've already given. I think the 3rd, if I'm right, is Medamiedo. She has seemingly been covering for both of them all game, calling any post I make about them scummy. Even more curious is how she just snuck Bookwyrm into her scum list in post 213 after rallying against me, Lift, Dess, Flub and Sage all game.

I will not vote for Medamiedo because she's scum contingent on covering for Yogs and Bookwyrm. If I'm somehow wrong about them, I don't really have a case against her. But look to her when they come out scummy.

Lift and Dess, so far, appear to be scum hunting and I don't see enough to doubt them. While I do not like general lurkiness, I will not vote Sage today because "Welcome Back" and will not vote JMich both because he's not pinging me and the fact he was killed before he even got to play last game. I'm not particularly town-reading anyone though.

So why am I giving my full read? Well, I think I fell into a trap. I think Yogs made his cop false claim to see who would be the first to vote him. And that was me. I will presumably be killed tonight under the premise that the first to vote him might be the real cop.

Not saying I am or I am not, the truth will be revealed the morning of Day 2.

Should I need to change my vote tonight, I'll be there. If not, see you next game!

I’m here, sorry HSL:

It’s not MU, it’s just a general four-month layoff. I’m shaking off the rust. If anything, being back in a GOG game makes me feel better in a lot of ways. No pressure to conform to that 1000s of posts per Day granular analysis. That’s sorta fun in its own way too, but I tend to lose steam in that kind of environment.

I have difficulty reading JMich in general – as opposed to him just scum-reading me every single game by default. Probably until the day it actually happens that I’m Scum and he’s Town and can lynch me, lol. So I’m just sandbagging the read there because there are more interesting things happening.

Right-o! Yes. Yes. No, no actually. No, you still do it.

You remember back when you used to put effort into this? Wasn’t that fun? Man, those were the good ol’ days.

Strongly disagree.

Would it bum you out if I told you that read is strengthened? I mean, geez, gimmie at least a little time here. The downside of being back on GOG is having to deal with the usual “I’m going to take a shower, brb” posts BOOM GONE FOR FOUR DAYS. I can only do so much with a few dozen posts to work with; many of them about gardening.

You should know better than this, Flub.

Eh. It works for me.

You should also know better, buck-o.

Know better than what? I have not made a claim unlike some people in the game...

I am providing useful information to the rest of town. After giving a good deal of thought to what Yogs might be up to, it dawned on me what that might be and realized the pickle I fell into. So if I die tonight, I thought it might be prudent to explain why I think it will be. Let's hope, for the sake of town, I fell into it because I hate false claims and want to Lynch All Liars as opposed to other possibilities...

Sorry, got called away while writing this post.


I think it's a promotion.



Bad Dessimu, a gentleman never tells.


Well, you're not exactly your quite actively inquiring and interacting town-self either...



Can you point at specific posts or parts in Dessimu's posts that got your gut go "he's probably scum"?

Do you think your vote worked the way you wanted it? I didn't see any of the two bothered by it, and I don't see Dessimu break a sweat for being at L-3. And you are aware that Sage103082's vote is an RVS one, yes? An RVS vote that may change when she finally graces us with her presence and input, which I hope will be before D1's end.

Can't, however, argue with your gut regarding doughnuts.



Did you just express confidence that yogsloth will get lynched? Do you think that If he claims Parity Cop he will still be lynched? I don't, and if he's a Townie, then he'll have succeeded in taking the NK, at best.

Yes, I remember that game, and yogsloth's opening post. I also remember that you stubbornly refused to believe him until the very end of the game, and kept lusting for his blood, even though you two were on the same team. So,it doesn't really surprise me that you put him at L-2, and don't seem the least bit worried that he may well be our Parity Cop. But it sure makes me wonder if you did it as town or as scum this game.


I see that quite a bit has been posted my way, so I'll get to it a.s.a.p.

I'm townclearing RW as well.

Small announcement

Sage contacted me to let me know that she had to travel, meet with fantastic people and get drunk af (I'm certain I was supposed to share this information as well :P) so she might be delayed. We're talking "The Hangover" parts 1, 2 and 3 here so take that into consideration.

That is all.

Roles don't flip. So the truth of you being or not being the real cop will not be revealed on the morning of Day 2, regardless of whether you die.

I'm not done cooking that side of the steak yet, if I turn it over now it will not cook right ;-)

The fact that Dessimu has not broken a sweat does not bother me, should it?

And more interruptions, sorry again.


You're welcome, but with a note. No offence, but I don't intend to treat you as some special snowflake in this matter, so don't count on this becoming a habit for the two of us. I will make an effort to break down my posts, but you also need to make an effort to read them carefully, and spot any questions addressed to you on your own.


Regarding my first question - well, I had asked you that before his second claim, and I'd had preferred you had answered it back then, or at least within that context and time-frame, but I guess it will have to do?

As for the second one, perhaps I should rephrase it as would you expect him to use a phrasing within the spirit of your examples or what you've witnessed before, if he wanted was to shake some trees and see what falls?



This may well be moot now, but why does asking those currently voting him what they think, necessarily reflect/say something about what I think?

While his actual contribution doesn't look like much, I think that it's demonstrated more in others' reactions than in what he himself actually said.

What I found quite odd is that it took him this long to place a vote, and not being all that confident about it. Not to mention that he hasn't called me out for not voting, not even once. And now he's back, with an apology for taking a while to reply to me... I don't quite know what to make of all this - I haven't followed any of his MU games, so don't know in what way and to what degree playing there has influenced/changed his play-style, if at all. But now I see he says it's not MU, and he's just rusty. I never considered him as a player that gets out of shape from not playing, so not sure if that actually clears up things any.


So, the case he may be town and looking to avoid No-Lynch is not something you consider?

And I'm not sure I follow that "Should I need to change my vote tonight, I'll be there", if you're only willing to vote Bookwyrm627 instead of yogsloth. He's got literally zero votes on him. Do you see him becoming a viable lynch option at this point?

Lunch break and phone post. Will be on after work.

@yogs - would you please clarify, without ambiguity, whether or not you claimed to be the parity cop?

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