WINNER!

fishbaits, you make it to the U.P. and drinks are on me. :D

Thanks for reminding me of that incident. That typical whoreson was a far left wing son of a bitch, tied to one very known local anarchist group, too. Then onward i trully realized that left wing pieces of shit had it very soft, when they were banished and shot dead mere decades ago. Perhaps it was time for old customs to be reinstated...

Hmm, funny thing, he even was teaching hispanic as a part time job and had a woman named Vaso... A daughter, too. What a worthless seed. Real waste.

If you by any chance vote for Podemos, though, i don't know you, it's all over.

Lol, I also wonder what they'll do with the Eurofighter, call it Brexitfigher or Eurofucker.

Thanksch kindschly...hic!
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One huge advantage, apart from getting shot of Cameron, is that finally Blighty won`t be last place in the Eurovision.

(only by default of not being in it from now on) ;)

Is there really a Eurofucker?

And Fox News does what Fox News do best -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b

How dare white people act in self-interest in a world where every other group does so.

At first I was somewhat miffed at how the EU wants to slam the door in our face given the less than 2% of the electorate that sealed the deal for Brexit. I thought that surely given that the process in theory should involve 2 years of discussion, including the possibility of deals to make the leaving country reconsider, that they'd be willing to throw some small concession our way to provoke another referendum and keep their stock of cash cows optimal.

But I had no idea just how much the rest of Europe also had misgivings towards the EU. So it seems like Brussels is simply trying to plug their finger in a dam of many cracks. I mean hell, if France leaves that's it. It's over.

Now that I've seen how fragile the EU is I really don't know if I want us to try and rejoin even if the possibility were offered. One thing to have to cope being on the outside of it. Quite another to be on the inside as it slowly crumbles.

We should never have left this project in the hands of the aloof, disinterested and unaccountable. It should not have come to this. It could have been good. But in the hands of people like Juncker what hope does the EU have? They ignored us to such a degree that the vote completely surprised them. But all things considered I am somewhat more content with the way the vote went now.

The principle is that the Parliament is sovereign. So, a majority in Westminster could block the government from triggering article 50. That would result in a political chaos in the UK. Or the government could decide not to follow the vote. That could result in the government falling sooner.

Until the UK triggers article 50 if the Treaty, indeed, there is, in theory a way back. Once article 50 is triggered, it's an intricated process indeed, but all parth lead, sooner of later, to the exit. Once exited, the UK may reapply for membership as any third country that meets the criteria.

What is possible is that the UK Gov delays its article 50 option, to blackmail the EU to get more favourable exit conditions. This is what Boris was hinting at today. This is what Cameron does in effect by announcing that this will be handled by the new government, and thus not before October.

Problem is Article 50.2 doesn't say how the notification needs be made, and it is very much possible that the European Council expresses strong views after the 28-29th June Summit. Pre-negotiations ar(e all very nice, but if the EU doesn't want to hear about that , waiting will only do some more damage. Do not underestimate how much ressent built up due to the constant blackmailing exerted by Cameron.

Also do not understimate the pressure that will build from a part of the Brexist constituent, who will want it triggered now, soon , even if it might not be the best perceived interest of the UK

Maturity doesn't only evolve around Age you know. Inmature people often envision the world as either black or White because they can't handle the reality that the world isn't right or wrong. There are no easy answers.
Since you asked I'm 43 and you spending most of your post writing about my bad english, I'm swedish, doesn't exactly make me take anything you write afterwards serious.

Sorry for my pad writing.

Hispanic? Is that a language?

That was really funny, Mr e.

It was funny because you put :D after it.

If you didn't put that it wouldn't have been funny.

In fact, I don't even read your posts, I just look for Mr e and :D and then I immediately crack up laughing.

I don't know. It reminds me of gypsies snarling anyway, so i never bothered to learn its name and all.

Yes, but they recently changed it HERspanic for reasons beyond my comprehension.

I guess so as I was a far-leftist 20 years ago but turned far-right over the years seeing how the left turned out. I found very interesting to make comparisons between Brexit voters, far-right voters in France and the voters for Höfer in your country as they are what I would crudely call "the leftovers of the system"(damn, that makes me one of them ^o^). Actually most "nationalist" voters nowadays are the working class which got abandoned by the "neo-left" which is now more trying to please employees of the big cities because it's easier to cater to them. And naturally we can add the eternal duality between cities and the countryside into the mix.....

About the age of youngsters, it's normal there's a generation clash as for people over 30 like me, we still vividly remember the 80's and 90's, back when EU was not so prevalent so we can still make comparisons. On the contrary, millenials always lived within the EU system so they don't know that an alternative can exist. Then to get more ideological, I would add that the millenial generation has been raised up in comfort and as perpetual consumers. It then raises the question of the lack of resilience of this generation (due to medias and poor education) thus the idea of a technocratic Europe is more appealing as they can be spoonfed and don't have to choose politically-wise.

I actually liked your comment about comparing business decision and political decision as it's considered an heresy from a leftist point of view :o) I don't know about the Austrian mindset but that seems close to the German one which considers people primarly as workforce instead of the Latin point of view which considers people as individuals. Being accustomed to French culture I can't naturally agree with you guys ^o^

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Anyway, that will be my last post in this thread. Not that I don't want to debate but I think that now, the most reasonable thing to do is to just sit back, chill out and see how things will turn out in the upcoming months now that the dices have been rolled.

Peace. Love.