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although I think people are getting to angry about such a minor thing , I think it was a little unfair just to put nz under au and not fully apologies for this. I'm not so much pissed off about the quest, I'm more pissed of it feels like i was tricked. :(
As I mentioned elsewhere, it's not about how much got censored. People, myself included, don't like censorship full stop. It's black and white and there are no shades of grey that make it ok in small doses. What Bethesda did with Fallout 3 when the Australian censorship board made them censor that game (again a tiny change), was they released the censored version worldwide so that way no one would worry they had an inferior version. Probably would have been a better option for TW2 which could then have been patched to what it was with DLC anyway.

Of course when Bethesda did that there was a lot of complaining anyway but at least we were all in the same boat.
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Melkor: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.281960-The-Witcher-2-Sexed-Down-for-Australia
"And to be fair, the changes actually do appear to be very small. The quests are still in the game, but Australian Geralt will have to choose a more tangible payoff for completing them. Witcher 2 Project Lead Adam Badowski said the studio was "disappointed" about having to make the cuts but that removing sex as a quest payoff was the only way to get the game onto the Australian market."

Also i read somewhere that we are talking about 1 (!) quest... Don't know if it's 100% correct.

P.S. really mezla1058, grow up and see who is to blame first before start cursing everyone around.
I definitely agree that it is a fairly small cut. I am not overly bother by it.
I can however sympathize with those who had their games unknowingly cut.
Its more of the knowledge that you paid for a full pizza, but you see a nibble in one of the corners. On the whole your pizza is still 99% there. But deep down you're disappointed because you paid for a FULL pizza. Not to have the delivery guy pinch at it.
Then the Pizza guy tells you not to worry because you can borrow a bit of dough from your friend to cover up that small nibble and your pizza will be what you ordered.
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johannes1212: Yeah the actual cut content is small but viewing it from a legal point of view is quite interesting, it inflates the issue to quite a big deal
There is no legal point. The big deal is with gamers alone! New Zealand decided to import the AU version of the game and every distributer MUST comply with that. Get it with your goverment and stop blaming people who are only doing their jobs. Like GoG's staff woke up one day and said "hey, lets play with New Zealand's gamers nerves and brake their balls". Seriously, there isn't even a point in discussing all this in GoG's forums.

And GoG isn't ignoring you and not answering, professional staff will talk to the community to say something important if any. Stop believing in all the "conspiracy mafia", at least not here.

My answer is for both threads in the forums about the New Zealand's Witcher 2 Version.
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shardakar: Its more of the knowledge that you paid for a full pizza, but you see a nibble in one of the corners.
Where I come from pizzas are round and have no corners ;p
For the love of sensible discussions and valid arguments, please drop the pizza analogies!

GoGdamn, now I'm hungry...
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Melkor: "hey, lets play with New Zealand's gamers nerves and brake their balls"
lol, greeks use that expression too? Thought it was ecsquisitely italian ;)
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Melkor: There is no legal point.
Clearly you've missed the multiple posts about the fact that misadvertising a product then refusing to give a refund for it is against New Zealand law.
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Melkor: "hey, lets play with New Zealand's gamers nerves and brake their balls"
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yayodeanno: lol, greeks use that expression too? Thought it was ecsquisitely italian ;)
It's very popular too! I was also suprised to see that more languages use this phrase as well. -)

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beedee: Clearly you've missed the multiple posts about the fact that misadvertising a product then refusing to give a refund for it is against New Zealand law.
I have missed that, if that happened then yes we are talking about a legal matter, i'm sorry, you are correct there. I still insist on the rest of my saying though -) .
Post edited May 15, 2011 by Melkor
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Melkor: There is no legal point.
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beedee: Clearly you've missed the multiple posts about the fact that misadvertising a product then refusing to give a refund for it is against New Zealand law.
To be honest I think it's a big stretch in this case. It's more of a minute change of specification to the product which for all intensive purposes is the same. I would be hard to argue there was misadvertising going on. However I do think this is all about customer relations and good will which is paramount to business.
If they have misadvertised and lead you onto buying the wrong product then of course, you will have the rights to refund.

But come on guys, it is clearly out of their hands that they wanted to give you the full game uncut but was legally not allowed to do so. They have also provided an alternative solution that you will still received your uncut version via a mod..

They probably leaked it out as a fan mod and they can't call it a patch because that would be violating the AUS/NZ rules and regulations.

As people have mentioned is just a small/minor cut.. why are you guys wouldn't give such a chance to such devoted developers who even go to the extreme in lifting their policy in not determining geo-IP for location simply because they wanted you to have what they intended?

If you like to INSIST in demanding your refund, you have all your rights to do so. But really you WANT to forego such a beautiful game and not willing to give the game a chance BY knowing that your problem can be solved via a mod simply because of your ALMIGHTY principal of life?

IF this is simply what is not ACCEPTABLE to you then I would wished that they refund you back your money and hope you stick to your principal in life and never cheat yourself about it when you made any exceptions in future. Because if you do so, nobody would know but it is only your own conscience that you are lying to yourself.
Post edited May 15, 2011 by archaven
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johannes1212: Yeah the actual cut content is small but viewing it from a legal point of view is quite interesting, it inflates the issue to quite a big deal
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Melkor: There is no legal point. The big deal is with gamers alone! New Zealand decided to import the AU version of the game and every distributer MUST comply with that. Get it with your goverment and stop blaming people who are only doing their jobs. Like GoG's staff woke up one day and said "hey, lets play with New Zealand's gamers nerves and brake their balls". Seriously, there isn't even a point in discussing all this in GoG's forums.

And GoG isn't ignoring you and not answering, professional staff will talk to the community to say something important if any. Stop believing in all the "conspiracy mafia", at least not here.

My answer is for both threads in the forums about the New Zealand's Witcher 2 Version.
What do you mean there is no legal point? This whole issue is a massive breach of Business Ethics, not providing a clear cut information on their main retail site for different version is not complying with Business to Customer Honesty Policies, sure it could've been a lapse in judgement forgetting to put such information on the product page but that is still corporate misconduct by the seller, you can have hundreds of blog sites and news informing potential customers of the censorship but ultimately if your product page doesn't give any indication of the difference then that counts as customer misinformation.

Secondly where did you get that universal idea that each individual NZ game distributor must obtain copies of games from Aus? NZ gaming laws have nothing to do with its Australian neighbours, we allow R18 games to be sold legally no problems whatsoever, and each individual distributor is supplied from where ever is cheapest for them (in most cases Australia for non R18 games) including Asia, Europe and America.

In fact my copy of Halo:Reach bought from a local retailer is from China, non bootlegged legitimate copy.
Post edited May 15, 2011 by johannes1212
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johannes1212: What do you mean there is no legal point? This whole issue is a massive breach of Business Ethics, not providing a clear cut information on their main retail site for different version is not complying with Business to Customer Honesty Policies, sure it could've been a lapse in judgement forgetting to put such information on the product page but that is still corporate misconduct by the seller, you can have hundreds of blog sites and news informing potential customers of the censorship but ultimately if your product page doesn't give any indication of the difference then that counts as customer misinformation.

Secondly where did you get that universal idea that each individual NZ game distributor must obtain copies of games from Aus? NZ gaming laws have nothing to do with its Australian neighbours, we allow R18 games to be sold legally no problems whatsoever, and each individual distributor is supplied from where ever is cheapest for them (in most cases Australia for non R18 games) including Asia, Europe and America.

In fact my copy of Halo:Reach bought from a local retailer is from China, non bootlegged legitimate copy.
First of all we are talking about Witcher 2, not Halo or any other game. Each country has one or two particular companies controlling the gaming incoming product management. If they decide, AU version of a game, then it's AU version no matter what you do.

Second of all i'm sorry if i sounded too harsh on you, it wasn't intended, i'm only saying my opinion.

Third of all, how LEGITIMATE is it for a distributer to go like "You are about to checkout the AU version of the game which is cencored!" . Also, how LEGITIMATE is it for a distributer again to go like "We have a window for you, just change the region you've selected and you will get the uncencored worldwide version!".
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johannes1212: What do you mean there is no legal point? This whole issue is a massive breach of Business Ethics, not providing a clear cut information on their main retail site for different version is not complying with Business to Customer Honesty Policies, sure it could've been a lapse in judgement forgetting to put such information on the product page but that is still corporate misconduct by the seller, you can have hundreds of blog sites and news informing potential customers of the censorship but ultimately if your product page doesn't give any indication of the difference then that counts as customer misinformation.

Secondly where did you get that universal idea that each individual NZ game distributor must obtain copies of games from Aus? NZ gaming laws have nothing to do with its Australian neighbours, we allow R18 games to be sold legally no problems whatsoever, and each individual distributor is supplied from where ever is cheapest for them (in most cases Australia for non R18 games) including Asia, Europe and America.

In fact my copy of Halo:Reach bought from a local retailer is from China, non bootlegged legitimate copy.
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Melkor: First of all we are talking about Witcher 2, not Halo or any other game. Each country has one or two particular companies controlling the gaming incoming product management. If they decide, AU version of a game, then it's AU version no matter what you do.

Second of all i'm sorry if i sounded too harsh on you, it wasn't intended, i'm only saying my opinion.

Third of all, how LEGITIMATE is it for a distributer to go like "You are about to checkout the AU version of the game which is cencored!" . Also, how LEGITIMATE is it for a distributer again to go like "We have a window for you, just change the region you've selected and you will get the uncencored worldwide version!".
I'm not too familiar with Greek importing laws but with NZ, each distributor has full control of where they wish to supply their stocks from, the example of Halo:Reach is a perfect example as the retailer MightyApe has supplied their copies from a different source than Firstgames.co.nz.
The worst thing is that CDPR/GOG cannot give a definite answer on what exactly was censored. Some sources say that it was only one quest, other sources say that it was every quest.