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Lavec: This is just going around in circles.

Unofficial "fan patch" <> Official patch.

What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
They're getting the same version as the one that's available in New Zealand terrestrial stores. Equally simple.
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Lavec: This is just going around in circles.

Unofficial "fan patch" <> Official patch.

What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
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Avantre: They're getting the same version as the one that's available in New Zealand terrestrial stores. Equally simple.
And a store would likely give the customer a refund when they discovered it was the censored version. In fact they probably would be telling their customers at the time of purchase, "you do realise it's the censored version". As I mentioned before reputable stores are not in the business of ripping people off.

Anyway I don't know why I'm bothering. It just seemed a reasonable complaint to make by those that didn't realise they got a censored version.
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Lavec: This is just going around in circles.

Unofficial "fan patch" <> Official patch.

What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
Exactly !
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Lavec: What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
Well said. I agree 100%.

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Avantre: They're getting the same version as the one that's available in New Zealand terrestrial stores. Equally simple.
Actually New Zealand allows parallel importing that avoids official distribution channels so some NZ terrestrial stores will inevitably be selling the uncensored version sometime soon. This very thing happened with the first Witcher game. It's coming one way or another.
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Lavec: What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
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mirumu: Well said. I agree 100%.

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Avantre: They're getting the same version as the one that's available in New Zealand terrestrial stores. Equally simple.
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mirumu: Actually New Zealand allows parallel importing that avoids official distribution channels so some NZ terrestrial stores will inevitably be selling the uncensored version sometime soon. This very thing happened with the first Witcher game. It's coming one way or another.
That doesn't mean squat if GoG's bound to a contract to provide the same version as the local distributor is supplying (as per the GoG.com Support email that was quoted on page 5).
Post edited May 15, 2011 by Avantre
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Avantre: That doesn't mean squat if GoG's bound to a contract to provide the same version as the local distributor is supplying (as per the GoG.com Support email that was quoted on page 5).
Sure. We can't expect GoG to break any distribution contracts they have. I don't think anyone is asking them to do that.

It simply isn't correct though to say we won't see the uncensored version in stores here. If a retailer thinks they can make money bypassing the official distribution channel then they will do so. NZ law allows this.
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Blanko2: uh excuse me?
page fuckin 3, buddy. i basically say: HEY I WOULDNT MIND A PATCH RATHER THAN A REFUND. and to be honest, im pretty sure that if there were any concrete evidence that this was the case, most people would back off. but up till now, no one has said a peep. and THAT is what is annoying as well, the lack of communication with the people who bought the game
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Avantre: If they released or said they were going to release an official patch that decensors a scene that has officially been banned (or not accepted in the reviewed copy if the word banned is too strong) in Australia, the Australian Classification Board would order the game off the shelves in their country (they can do it - they did it with GTA 3). Legal repercussions would also probably ensue.

You're not going to get offical word or endorsement of a patch (unless the game is re-rated in Australia), and it's unrealistic to expect word of it through official channels. The patch will almost certainly come, and probably really quickly, but it will come from someone who is not clearly associated with the official company - either a true fan patch by some nice soul out there, or else a 'fan patch' that we can't prove wasn't made by a non-official fan.
whos talking about AUS? im in NZ, so says my location and this is where i live.
there is a mature rating here. there was no need for the censoring here, that was the whole issue. i thought i was getting an uncensored version. this turned out to not be true.
i dont mind this fact if there is ANY official confirmation that a patch will be released for NZ. not AUS, but NZealand. where they won't ban it. oh sure, fan made patch, but again, thats just people hinting, i have not paid 70 usd for hints. i dont want a refund, really, i want this game. i just want someone to say: look, NZ and some other countries were caught in the flak of a stupid decision, we're fixing it and this is how.
Unsure it it been posted before, but here is the different between the two version:

"In the original version your character Geralt was given the choice of accepting sex ‘as a reward’ for successfully completing this particular side quest. The Australian Classification Board originally refused classification as they deemed the inclusion of ‘sex as a reward’ as not suitable for an MA15+ classification.

The change is only minor, in that the character choice is now made automatically for him. The character and the side quest are still in the game but presented in a slightly different context. No other changes have been made and this change has no impact on gameplay, storyline or character development."
Post edited May 15, 2011 by NZSnowman
Just wondering but if Atari says no to any NZ distributors getting in the game from the UK/US will that store get into any legal trouble.
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mcneil_1: Just wondering but if Atari says no to any NZ distributors getting in the game from the UK/US will that store get into any legal trouble.
I've never heard of distributors getting stock from anywhere but the official channels. I suspect the contracts they'd have with Atari would prevent that from happening. The distributors have no direct interaction with customers so you'd have to wonder what motivation they'd have to annoy Atari anyway.

The stores themselves though would not get in any legal trouble for bypassing the NZ distributors entirely, although it definitely would annoy them. From cases I've heard in the past where it actually happened this is more likely to trigger an angry phone call from the distributor than any legal threats.
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mcneil_1: Just wondering but if Atari says no to any NZ distributors getting in the game from the UK/US will that store get into any legal trouble.
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mirumu: I've never heard of distributors getting stock from anywhere but the official channels. I suspect the contracts they'd have with Atari would prevent that from happening. The distributors have no direct interaction with customers so you'd have to wonder what motivation they'd have to annoy Atari anyway.

The stores themselves though would not get in any legal trouble for bypassing the NZ distributors entirely, although it definitely would annoy them. From cases I've heard in the past where it actually happened this is more likely to trigger an angry phone call from the distributor than any legal threats.
Thanks, I was just thinking if maybe Mightyape got it later on down the track from Atari UK or Atari US.
Post edited May 15, 2011 by mcneil_1
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johannes1212: Yeah the actual cut content is small but viewing it from a legal point of view is quite interesting, it inflates the issue to quite a big deal
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Melkor: There is no legal point. The big deal is with gamers alone! New Zealand decided to import the AU version of the game and every distributer MUST comply with that. Get it with your goverment and stop blaming people who are only doing their jobs. Like GoG's staff woke up one day and said "hey, lets play with New Zealand's gamers nerves and brake their balls". Seriously, there isn't even a point in discussing all this in GoG's forums.

And GoG isn't ignoring you and not answering, professional staff will talk to the community to say something important if any. Stop believing in all the "conspiracy mafia", at least not here.

My answer is for both threads in the forums about the New Zealand's Witcher 2 Version.
Melkor you are so wrong it's funny.

1)The New Zealand Government has nothing to do with this. Things work differently here than in Greece.
2) New Zealand has parallel importing laws, there is not single legal importer, anyone can import computer games.
3)GOG would be treated like any other company OUTSIDE OF NZ.
4) All these copies will be bought with a credit card. We have the ability to go to out CC company and say legitimately that the product was not the one advertised and require a refund. I can see me doing that if they do not fix this.
5)Failure to provide, or worse, giving out incorrect information to purchasers is fraud. They said to RPS, that they would not be selling the AU version to anyone except Australians, they turned off their IP logger so as not to incorrectly identify peoples nationality. The RPS article was the single reason I bought this through GOG.
6)The legal point is that New Zealand gamers have the right under our laws for a full refund. GOG better get it's act together otherwise it is going to have hundreds if not thousands of Credit card charges reversed over the next few days.

Cheers,
Scathsealgaire

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Lavec: This is just going around in circles.

Unofficial "fan patch" <> Official patch.

What these NZers are asking for is what they thought they were buying, the same version the rest of the world is getting. What they got was the Australian version so they either want their money back from GOG or GOG to provide a patch. Simple.
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Avantre: They're getting the same version as the one that's available in New Zealand terrestrial stores. Equally simple.
If they wanted that version they would have gone to any one of hundreds of other places. GOG said that we would be getting the uncensored one. End of story.
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Blanko2: uh excuse me?
page fuckin 3, buddy. i basically say: HEY I WOULDNT MIND A PATCH RATHER THAN A REFUND. and to be honest, im pretty sure that if there were any concrete evidence that this was the case, most people would back off. but up till now, no one has said a peep. and THAT is what is annoying as well, the lack of communication with the people who bought the game
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archaven: Please read page 5 pal... mezla1058 posted a reply from GoG support:

I apologize for the late reply. I'm afraid that all sales on GOG.com are final and I'm unable to offer you a refund for this order. While the game's FAQ hasn't been updated with information about New Zealand customers having access only to the Australian version at first (the FAQ has since been updated), please keep in mind that every other version of The Witcher 2 available in New Zealand is the edited Australian version as well.

Now, although I'm unable to offer you a refund, nor an unedited version (we're legally required to offer the edited version to customers from Australia and New Zealand), I would like to point out that unofficial "fan patches" that will re-enable the edited content will surely be released shortly after The Witcher 2 comes out.
Although this is inconvenient, it will enable you to play the game as CDP RED had envisioned it. It is also the only way to play the game this way, as the Australian version is (to my knowledge) the only version distributed in New Zealand.

Regards,
Firek

GOG.com Support
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archaven: AND What he say to support staff?

Nice way of saying: Fuck you.
Well... fuck you too GOG and CDPR. I will definitely follow it up with my bank and Ministry of Consumer Affairs now.
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archaven:
Just go to your credit card company. reverse the charges. The product was not the one advertised.
Post edited May 17, 2011 by Scathsealgaire
wonder when the patch comes out.
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Blanko2: wonder when the patch comes out.
According to GOG, it should've already been out.
yup. can't find anything anywhere.