expansions yes,
horse armor no

This is EA's new business model. Half a game for $60 and the rest as "cheap" little bits. DA2 is the worst case so far. I wonder if ME3 will be any different.

Most likely..No...These are usually people who don't mind paying for bottles of water when they can get it for free, (Fill up an empty soda/pop bottle from a water fountain) Mainstream Americans are like this as they have no real concept of principals or integrity, as it has been replaced by over-priced products and services instead...

No one forces a DLC purchase. Witcher 2 is a fantastic game. I'm just quantitatively expressing the value I find. I would love a full priced expansion pack, but failing that I don't feel like paying for more content is a bad scheme at face value. Granted it has been abused by stupid DLC now embodied immortally in the internet's collective consciousness as "horse armor", but the market determines which ideas are stupid and which are brilliant. You don't have to agree with me, but that's the value I find.

Full expansions, or 5 hour DLC, I don't care. I just want more Witcher. I'd love for the opportunity for the community to personally finance a team dedicated to constant additional content, whilst another team works to make me a full priced sequel. When good developers make money we win. So as a previous brilliant poster stated:


SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

LOL! Classic response, I couldn't have said it better myself!
Better yet, why not a full-blown SDK, like Bethesda did? at least then we can get our 5hour content. ;^) Although, I don't see CDPred abusing that privilege, I would rather not go down that road either, as it seems that CDPred's dedication for the old-school's Devvin' with Integrity is their current business model. And even the best, most dedicated Dev-Houses get drawn to the dark-side sooner or later...

Remember when BioWare actually made RPGs? ;^) Not mainstream fodder..BTW, The "No one forces you to buy a DLC" argument is besides the point, due to the fact our point is that it goes against honest business principals by taking advantage of a willing consumer!

We must not forget the so called focus on multi player. $60 for a 6 hours or so single player campaign. I wonder when and how will they charge for multi player.

Well my friend, Call of Duty Elite is just that. Monthly subscription for online play. A part of me died when I first read this. Here is a link to IGN with some details. Although I hate linking to IGN, it is however far better than linking to Activisions site. A mans eyes can only take so much. That and I don't want to give them the satisfaction of the extra hits on their site :)

There's no such thing as taking advantage of a willing consumer. A consumer consumes. You cannot force consumption. If I'm willing to pay 10 bucks for five hours then the option is mine. If you don't want to, then don't. You are not entitled to anything. Sure, CD Projekt can give us free DLC. Awesome, but don't cross the line to entitlement.

No shit! And I though that maybe I was paranoid. Gasp! :)

Yes there is, (But from a seller's perspective more than the willing consumer) Ticket scalpers have been doing it for decades! Entitlement doesn't even enter into the equation as far as I'm concerned.. ;^) My point is clearly about how companies are cheating us (Or opening up the potential) by selling a lesser product for a higher price, when advertizing a better product. From a Corporate perspective, consumers are easy pickings (Mainstream that is) because that they are not the most discriminating group of folks around and will buy just about anything that has a "shiny new package" or gives them a status of "cool."

Perfect example, was a man who actually sold rocks as "Pet rocks" not to mention a man who sold "Copper miniature portraits of Abraham Lincoln" for a dollar they are the suckers in which Barnum & Bailey first described in their most famous of quotes!

Yes, while it's true that people have the choice in whether they purchase what amounts to a 2-hour session with an SDK can produce if they want to or not, (DA2 & ME2) in the long run it will simply will drive your company into mediocrity by giving your company a green light in order to fleece your complacent customer base for some short-term riches with inferior products, and you still might be able to run that business while coasting on $10 stir-fried shit, well...Up until the point when a real competitor comes to take your place with better product/prices and drives you out of your own market. Which, admittedly, is not such a bad thing, until the business that replaces the latter goes down that same road...Which we all seen before, which brings me to my next point...

The reason most are up in arms about this particular subject is that most have a stark basis of comparison as to how their hobby of choice is getting ripped off, and cheapened by shoddy production efforts for higher prices as in sharp contrast to the gaming bliss 10 years past.

(Tes 3 had a lot of free content while Tes 4 had horse armor- didn't bother me 'cause Beth's a great company and they gave us NOTN!),

Don't get me wrong..I am not saying that paying for DLCs are the sign of Satan defecating on Christmas, but more to the point I'd rather see great content for a good decent price! IE: Oblivion's Knights of the Nine was excellent content for ten dollars because it added extra content for game-players as well as a modder's resource, but paying ten dollars for a sword, or a re-textured piece of armor with the same mesh is defiantly not because it adds nothing in comparison! (IE: Photoshopping a DDS file which anyone can do!)


But I am also wary of how this practice can be abused as Bioware was an excellent company much like CDPRed! In a matter of fact I will be purchasing both DLC's for FO New Vegas even though I could DL a mod or even Mod my own level/Quest, because it adds something substantial to the game.

So yeah, I would LOVE to keep on receiving free DLC from CDPRed, (And an SDK is just the cherry we need on top!) but if they sell quality DLCs then Hell yeah, I agree with you 100% But not so, if the product is cheap...

This, please.
I'd gladly have 20-25 hours / expansion, for 40$ if necessary. Remember the good old days, with expansions that offered as much content as the vanilla game?

The game itself is 50$ and offers more than 25 hours in normal difficulty if you take your time crafting items, doing side quests, exploring the area and reading the dialogues, for example i played about 40-50 hours in my first gameplay and even with this long a gameplay a missed some quests i can do with the side i chose. And don't forget that a whole new game engine, combat system and a lot more were created for the game. In an expansion, however they won't build a new engine from the start nor they will make the combat system from scrap, they'll use the same gameplay mechanics, maybe add a little more but that little more can't be compared with the whole game. What they'll do is adding new items, new places, new quests, new characters and monsters and a new storyline(this doesn't neccesarily mean they'll not continue the story, a new storyline may also mean continuing the current story). An expansion for The Witcher 2, in my opinion must cost about 20-25$( in good old games, of course, the other distributors may increase the price and gog must be the cheapest), must give at least 1/3 the number of new items The Witcher 2 gave(much less would do too if the items are not useless) and between 25-40 hours of gameplay which at least 1/4 of it should be side quests.

My opinion is as it is because we are talking about CDPR, not activision nor the ea. If we were talking about these 2 companies even 8-10 hours of gameplay for 40 dollars would be much to ask.

DLC such as armor and weapons should be for free. I can retexture a few armor myself. There are more talented modders as well.

but DLC that involves quests is ok. I refer the quests that are coherent with the game story like in Assassin Creed.

But consider that the game already has DRM free, adding another DLC would be easily done over torrent, and finally with the standard that gamers put it so high --> I believe CDPJ will be prudent to release expansion.

They may just release small DLC for free to please fans and legit buyers.

*facepalm*

its these kinds of gamers that have led to the state of the gaming industry... hope you all love paying money for maps for online games now like cod.. maps that used to be free, or created by the community... hope you like the trend of having your mod tools taken away from you (the community) because companies realize theres wayyyyy more money in parcelling out little bits of dlc themselves, and i hope you enjoy your games being artificially shortened so that content can be held back for your precious dlc, all because of people have shown themselves to be ridiculously eager to throw their money at publishers for a couple of minutes worth of new gameplay, or a handful of crappy new weapons or armor...

thankyou for ruining gaming by helping businesses no longer see it as a creative endeavor, but purely as a business to be milked dry. thanks for that.



and thanks for proving bastards like bobby kotick right... that gaming only serves as a way to part gamers (and their parents) from their cash.

well done you.


sad thing is that you fools will only ever wake up once you realise that youre paying 50 bucks for 2 hour long games, with the rest of the game released in hour-long chunks of dlc gameplay for 10 bucks a pop, ON TOP of having to pay a fee just to play the game... then again, youll probably still be yelling TAAKKEE MYYY MONNNEEYYY!!!

I would much prefer a decent sized expansion than bite size DLC.

The very big problem with DLC ( at least in other games ) is that they are almost always too small to be anything of significance. A new quest, a new item, armor for your horse.... MEH!? 5 hours of content would be a huge leap above the competitors, but there isn't a whole lot you can do with 5 hours in an RPG.

A proper expansion, now that's a different. Loads of room to expand on the story or explore some unfinished archs and add more value to the franchise.