Yeah crude like that is why MK 11 or whatever it was I didn't get till dirt cheap for the staff and devs telling the paying consumers willing to shill out lots of money to go F off and also while I did similar to Borderlands 3 when it was deeply discounted on Steam

They determine sex, not gender. We are called transGENDER and not transSEX for a reason...

Problem with that statement there are Transgenders more and more saying that even biological sex is not real and just a sociatal construct.. I will say Gender sure is to a degree a socitial construct as gender norms are in a flux themselves given what once was manly is now seen as Girly and vice-versa..

But now more and more Transgender are now denying actual science of biological sex.. Where as prior it was reasonable and logical to say Gender is to a degree just a construct in society

Yeah, after reading the harrowing account of David Reimer on Wikipedia I realised where you were coming from - gender identity rather than sex/gender. Thanks for clarifying. The distinction between sex and gender now is good, "sex" was used as a colloquialism for gender for a long time (in Britain at least). Live and learn.

Last century the debates around "nature vs nurture" began. Do you think it's fair to say that sex is 100% nature and gender identity can result from any combination of nature and nurture, including 100% of either?

(still strictly off-topic I guess, but I'm finding the thread valuable and I'll be looking at Cyberpunk with added interest)

You've made me realise something I've felt uncomfortable about. It's obviously good that this is now more openly discussed, but by making it 'fashionable' do we risk putting ideas into the heads of some people where no such thoughts existed before?

That's not to say that I don't believe there are people who genuinely feel that they are in the wrong body, just that a lot of people are easily influenced. Given the tragic physical and psychological results that can potentially arise from gender-reassignment (if that's currently the correct term) perhaps we should take care to educate but not promote. We all know what it's like when you're young and something is 'cool'.

On a lighter note I remember when Game of Thrones was being aired and beards suddenly came back into fashion. Young women dying their hair grey too, though luckily that doesn't seem to have lasted here lol. Just an example of media pressure.

Thing is, science always evolves. So we must adjust our understanding of it.

Its like this, the sex in my chromosomes is XY and therefore male. The sex in my brain is female, thats hardwired.

The sex in the brain supercedes the sex in the chromosomes. Chromosome birth defects exist, and it would be foolish to think that if XYY and XXY and such exist, that XX and XY cant also be simply defective.

I should have been born with XX chromosomes. Sadly theres no cure for this. What can be done however is counteract the effects of the wrong chromosomes with HRT. And no, no child is given HRT nor surgeries. They may get blockers during puberty so as to not go through the wrong one.

Think of it this way, you buy a Honda and get it delivered, what they deliver is a Toyota. You would do something about that, right? Thats all trans people do. We fix a mismatch, a defective delivery.

Theres also the issue of doctors claiming a child is a boy or a girl based on genitals alone, no chromosome or brain wave testing done. Not that those things are needed, what might be needed is abstaining from labeling babies as anything early on. In fact, plenty of trans peoples memories go back to like 2 to 4 years of age of the first moments of knowing something is wrong.

Btw, just to dispel the suicide rate lie, its a out of context statistic that is only applicable in trans people who dont have support, who are being bullied and abused. Supported trans people have no more higher or lower suicide rates than non trans people.

I also want to add that just because of the things i did as a child that determine that im a woman, doesnt mean that goe for anyone else. I played with dolls and toy soldiers alike. Toys are not gendered, neither are clothes.
For me personally however, i always preferred to play as women in every game, when char creation was a thing i made a woman. Preferrably an archer, so you can tell HZD is totally my thing.
Thats what therapy is for. It weeds out most who are wrong about it. Those are extremely rare cases tho, same as those who detransition. And detransitioning doesnt neccesarily mean that one is not trans. Being trans can be expensive depending on where one lives.

All we do is educate, transphobes however dont want us to do that.

Btw, GCS (Gender Confirmation Surgery) isnt cheap nor easy to get.

This was a troll thread from the beginning, there is nothing to be off topic on.

Nature is simply whats naturally there, our physical attributes and instincts. Nurture is how you are being raised, whether you are being dressed in pink as a girl or blue as a boy and other pointlessly gendered stuff like boys getting soldiers and guns while girls get dolls and make up.

I came across the origin of the word woman recently:
"The word 'man' derives from Proto-Germanic and it literally meant "person." That is, it could refer to both man or woman. The word used for 'woman' carried the prefix 'wif': 'wifman'. The word used to refer to a man (a person of the male gender) carried the prefix 'wer': 'werman'. This use even survived in other words, such as werewolf (literally man-wolf)."

And you seemed to confirmn my statement here you are atleast indirectly trying to deny .. biological sex as in the sex the genetics cause ones body to be at the genetic level .. Not the none materail level.. As the none material level is seperate from bioligical/genetic level..

Also as far as I know from last I checked there is no solid way to determ if someone is trans via brainwave scans and such.. If that has changed I welcome some links as I doubt it'd be a easy thing to look up

By the way Doctors do the''if it gots a penis its a male.. if its got a Vagine it is girl'' thing as Trans people are a small percent of people and well it only makes common sense to do that rather then a complex '' we must make sure this baby isn't the smallpercent that is Trans'' scenerio .. given how again Trans people they exist yet are such a small part of the population it would make the procedure way more complicated .. plus another reason they do it is for medical reasons as for last I checked the majority of medical procedures even the same ones on people who are trans still need matched up with needing done the sex they was born as atleast for the ones that are desinged around matters related to where both male and female physical body is too far different then the other


I am not denying Trans people exist and I do not hold hate towards them or negative views towards them all I have against what is said is the fact of trying to say sex at the genetic level does not exisit and is just a construct made by society as a whole ... when the none matiral aspesct of Sex (like brain waves or whatever ) one can easily say is a soctial construct related thing unlike the genetic level part of it

.. By the way I judge each person by their actions best I can... Honestly not by who or what they are unless they are found to truly be a pedo or plain old sexaul predator truly and not by rumors or acussations but proven by the court of law

Brain activity isnt the same as social constructs. Woman and man are social constructs. Male and female are not. And brain activity is biological as well. All im saying is that your understanding of it might be outdated. Chromosomes are one sex and the brain is another. You simply hold on strongly to the chromose based sex. Which is totally fine.
You are entitled to your opinion even if it may not be correct.

I disagree on the mind activity being biological sex related as while the activity can be studied and observed.. it isn't a matertail matter like nearly everything else about a persons body as almost everything else can be proven as exisiting in the matieral world.. As last I checked its purelly eletrical impulses that travel around for specific affects in the brain to happen and closest to biological brain factors is how hormones had been said to affect a unborns child state of being before birth that once was in medical books and reviews .. but that I am pretty sure isn't much of a affect unless a huge amount of hormones are involved

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3. Are you trolling or legit? I can't tell.
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As to the rest of the discussion, I would like to put this forward.

I do not believe that we are born gay/straight/bi. Given that it is brain chemicals that control this, and that when we are born, our brains are not fully formed, I think its a bit misleading to say that. I think attraction is more fluid than people think it is. All guys have had thoughts about other men. Mostly in the 'I wonder what that would be like' kind of thing. Some act on it, others don't. It's much more accepted that women are attracted to other women than it is more a man to be with another man as well, and to some degree, I think that is partly to do with culture more than anything though.

As to being Transexual, I think the most interesting videos on the subject are when people who transitioned and the de-transited, and their experiences. We hear a lot about people that have transitioned in the media and how 'brave' they are, but the people that have transitioned back have there own interesting tales to tell, and it's worth finding and watching a few of them I think.

I think Lars von Trier came up with idea to film "The House That Jack Built" after reading one of these discussions

Children are easily coerced or manipulated into all sorts of things. Religion is a perfect example of this. Children that are brought to church their whole lives believe in their hearts and soul that their god exists. You will not change their minds.

If a parent treats a child in a manner, say a boy treated more like a girl and encouraged to do more girl things. They will grow up feeling that way, thinking they are a girl instead of a boy. Many parents actually harm their children in this way, to gain 'fame' and notoriety.

Schools are now pushing gay and trans books and ideas on little kids. Elementary students, as young as Kindergarten. I work in schools and see it first hand. These little kids are being told that the trans kid is 'brave' and 'courageous' thus making the child want to be like them. Kind of like when kids are exposed to firemen as heroes.

Much of the issue is psychological these days, which is why we are seeing more of these cases.

When I was a kid (I am 50) if an 8 year old boy wanted to dress up like mommy, it was just a phase and not encouraged to a great degree. Now parents declare their 8 year old wants to be trans. The kid can't decide what he wants to eat for lunch most days but he knows exactly that he wants to be another gender. Sure.

Many, many cases are coming out where trans people have wished someone had just given them some help and not encouraged a child to do something so life altering. It is criminal what some people are doing to their kids.

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These people are not natural scientists. Their "science" does not involve any experiments to prove or disprove a hypothesis. It consists in redefining words.

And this is *not* a laughing matter. The books of JK Rowling were burned on Twitter because she dared to demand to be called a "woman". I myself already had a friend who got a bad grade for the sole reason that he did not "genderize" his french essay.

These people are highly aggressive and abusive. They are extreme ideologues who cannot accept any deviation from their ideology. They desperately want men & women to be exactly equal. And since that is simply not the case, they try to talk these differences away.

To this end, they argue that the words 'man' and 'woman' would not refer to biology but to behavior. And because no one uses these words with such a definition, they try to harass and threaten people to force them to use these words in such a way.