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Posted September 19, 2014
Is your body ready to waste away in front of your computer?

Wasteland 2 Digital Deluxe Edition, inXile's epic post-apocalyptic RPG is here! The masterfully crafted continuation to the 1988s original post-apocalyptic RPG, is available for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux on GOG.com, for $59.99*.

Wasteland 2 Digital Deluxe Edition, is the direct sequel to 1988’s Wasteland, the first-ever post-apocalyptic computer RPG and the inspiration behind the Fallout series. Until Wasteland, no other cRPG had ever allowed players to control and command individual party members for tactical purposes or given them the chance to make moral choices that would directly affect the world around them. Wasteland was a pioneer in multi-path problem solving, dripping in choice and consequence and eschewing the typical one-key-per-lock puzzle solving methods of its peers, in favor of putting the power into players’ hands to advance based on their own particular play style. Now, the legend is back, resurrected by the power of thousands of gamers' combined will to visit the grim and dangerous, yet strangely mesmerizing future once again. Today, we celebrate nonlinearity, mature storytelling, and other best traditions of computer RPG design. Brian Fargo and his inXile team opens the doors to the post-apocalyptic future: let's challenge its many dangers, together!

On GOG.com Wasteland 2 Digital Deluxe Edition comes complete with a free copy of Wasteland - The Original Classic and inXile's cult fantasy RPG, The Bard's Tale. *$59.99 is the regular price for this title in the US. Other prices will apply in different countries. If you end up paying more than than the US price, we will reimburse the difference from our own pocket, giving it back to you in store credit (this is what we call the "Fair Price Package"). If you only want to dip your feet before taking the plunge, there's a Wasteland 2 Digital Classic Edition available (US price: $39.99), and it can be upgraded to Deluxe Edition later.
Post edited September 19, 2014 by G-Doc
Posted October 07, 2014
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DyNaer: Well, i'm not sure , that' why i putted a ?

They publish a boxed version with an extended soundtrack (on CD)
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shmerl: Ah, I see. Then it's highly probable that Deep Silver initiated this whole mess.
Welp, volunteers?
Posted October 07, 2014
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shmerl: All this should be some lesson to supporters - make sure that retailer publishers aren't included in crowdfunded projects in any way.
No the lesson should be to not pay a second time for what you just paid by buying the game. Same principle as don't pay for alpha-test and beta-test.

Pay extra for reals extras. Not for artificially rarefied items.
Posted October 07, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: You advertised a FLAC with the product you sold and didn't honor the sale by removing it after the fact. Don't try to pass the buck with telling us to contact inXile because you're just the distributor. GOG aren't representing their customers' interests. The purchase I made was directly with GOG, not them. I'm not contacting anybody but you. You should honor your sale the way that you advertised it or offer to give a refund.
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JudasIscariot: Sorry, but it's not our content to do with as we please and if there's a legally binding contract, as explained here, then we can't make any demands whatsoever as much as we'd like to.
Then you should offer a refund. You didn't honor the sale. The fact that you don't own any of the content does not absolve GOG of responsibility to their paying customers who bought the items advertised with a FLAC soundtrack.

That's just the right thing to do.
Posted October 07, 2014
Let's try an old bricks-and-mortar comparison and see how it plays out.

CookCo advertises a new oven, the Range5000, which comes with GoodRoast heating coils. But if you buy the Deluxe model, you get the UltraRoast heating coils, which are a better version of the same coils.

A bunch of folks buy the Range5000 Deluxe and receive it with the UltraRoast coils, and all is good.

Then CookCo announces that they have pulled the UltraRoast coils from the Deluxe model, and from now on it will ship with the typical GoodRoast coils. Anyone looking to buy the Range5000 Deluxe is aware of this going forward, so has no reason to complain (except about the abstract loss of opportunity to get the better version when it was available).

Where the problem comes in is that CookCo is also sending a van to the houses of everyone who bought the Deluxe model and ripping out their UltraRoast coils and replacing them with GoodRoast coils. And they are performing this downgrade with no recompense to the purchaser.

Obviously in the physical world this would create a huge backlash. But because it's so easy to do the same in the digital world, companies do it without batting an eye.

The only fair response is either to provide restitution for removing a previously purchased asset, or to allow those who already possess it to retain it. That they do neither shows exactly how interested in fairness they are, and what degree of respect they hold for their customers.
Posted October 07, 2014
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shmerl: All this should be some lesson to supporters - make sure that retailer publishers aren't included in crowdfunded projects in any way.
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BlackyDorem: No the lesson should be to not pay a second time for what you just paid by buying the game. Same principle as don't pay for alpha-test and beta-test.

Pay extra for reals extras. Not for artificially rarefied items.
Yes, I find the whole idea of charging more for better codec to be highly stupid. Same thing with video for example. It's exactly the same for the owner and doesn't cost anything more to produce.
Post edited October 07, 2014 by shmerl
Posted October 07, 2014
Late to this party - I just now noticed my FLAC is gone. Said a little wtf to myself, started digging for info... and... rats. That is disappointing. InExile has gone from Superheroes of the Universe to shadier and shadier and shadier with every single f-up that keeps coming down the pipe.
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IAmSinistar: Let's try an old bricks-and-mortar comparison and see how it plays out.

CookCo advertises a new oven, the Range5000, which comes with GoodRoast heating coils. But if you buy the Deluxe model, you get the UltraRoast heating coils, which are a better version of the same coils.

A bunch of folks buy the Range5000 Deluxe and receive it with the UltraRoast coils, and all is good.

Then CookCo announces that they have pulled the UltraRoast coils from the Deluxe model, and from now on it will ship with the typical GoodRoast coils. Anyone looking to buy the Range5000 Deluxe is aware of this going forward, so has no reason to complain (except about the abstract loss of opportunity to get the better version when it was available).

Where the problem comes in is that CookCo is also sending a van to the houses of everyone who bought the Deluxe model and ripping out their UltraRoast coils and replacing them with GoodRoast coils. And they are performing this downgrade with no recompense to the purchaser.

Obviously in the physical world this would create a huge backlash. But because it's so easy to do the same in the digital world, companies do it without batting an eye.

The only fair response is either to provide restitution for removing a previously purchased asset, or to allow those who already possess it to retain it. That they do neither shows exactly how interested in fairness they are, and what degree of respect they hold for their customers.
I agree with the above. I just want my FLAC back. Digitial distribution is a unique medium in that the retailer (which is what GOG is, not a distributor) has the capability to "revoke" purchased items, unlike the physical store, which would have to break-and-enter your home to take back their product.

Bad juju for InExile, but GOG owns this problem as well.
Post edited October 07, 2014 by yogsloth
Posted October 07, 2014
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JudasIscariot: Sorry, but it's not our content to do with as we please and if there's a legally binding contract, as explained here, then we can't make any demands whatsoever as much as we'd like to.
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JohnnyDollar: Then you should offer a refund. You didn't honor the sale. The fact that you don't own any of the content does not absolve GOG of responsibility to their paying customers who bought the items advertised with a FLAC soundtrack.

That's just the right thing to do.
All I ask is that anyone who has a grievance regarding this situation, please contact us via the proper official channels. Thank you.
Posted October 07, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: Then you should offer a refund. You didn't honor the sale. The fact that you don't own any of the content does not absolve GOG of responsibility to their paying customers who bought the items advertised with a FLAC soundtrack.

That's just the right thing to do.
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JudasIscariot: All I ask is that anyone who has a grievance regarding this situation, please contact us via the proper official channels. Thank you.
Will that resolve anything or merely keep the grievance private?
Posted October 07, 2014
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JudasIscariot: All I ask is that anyone who has a grievance regarding this situation, please contact us via the proper official channels. Thank you.
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Gonchi: Will that resolve anything or merely keep the grievance private?
It's not meant to keep anything private but to give you a channel, in addition to the forum, where you can log your dissatisfaction with this situation. As for resolving anything, I can't promise anything.
Posted October 07, 2014
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JudasIscariot: All I ask is that anyone who has a grievance regarding this situation, please contact us via the proper official channels. Thank you.
I don't hold GOG particularly culpable in this instance, since you are bound by the contract as well. You are the Sears or Nordstroms in my CookCo example, selling what you are provided under the terms negotiated with the provider. Naturally I would encourage you as a retailer to apply pressure on the supplier to reverse or otherwise make good this rather bad decision. But given how little they care about their customers, I don't imagine GOG would sway them significantly either.
Posted October 07, 2014
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IAmSinistar: I don't hold GOG particularly culpable in this instance, since you are bound by the contract as well. You are the Sears or Nordstroms in my CookCo example, selling what you are provided under the terms negotiated with the provider. Naturally I would encourage you as a retailer to apply pressure on the supplier to reverse or otherwise make good this rather bad decision. But given how little they care about their customers, I don't imagine GOG would sway them significantly either.
I suspect the problem isn't even in the supplier, but in the physical retailer. With updated analysis, my guess is like this:

1. The composer has no interest in differentiating losless and lossy releases.
2. inXile in theory also don't want it (why would they?).
3. However inXile also used physical publisher (Deep Silver) who started demanding restrictions on digital channels to protect their physical sales (this bad practice unfortunately is very common and results in regional pricing and etc.). So inXile didn't have a choice if they wanted to sell physical copies.

I.e. the bottom line - to reduce all kind of stupid mess, avoid physical distribution and dealing with any physical publishers / retailers. May be physical distribution is still big, so developers are tempted to use it despite all this stuff. I surely hope it will be reduced soon enough.
Post edited October 07, 2014 by shmerl
Posted October 07, 2014
Just thought I'd post this here:

http://discuss.bis.gov.uk/consumerrightsbill/what-are-my-rights-under-the-draft-bill-when-buying-digital-content/

Obviously this is a UK government thing being on their sites, but it basically states that (under the Consumer Rights Bill) when buying digital content it has to be of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose, and meet any description, otherwise the customer is entitled to a repair or replacement, or some refund. It also states (AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TOO) that the customer is entitled to a refund if the trader sold the digital content without having the right to do so.
Posted October 07, 2014
I'd actually be really curious about the legal details behind this sort of thing. You are not, technically, buying the soundtrack after all. No money is changing hands--it's a "FREE goodie." At the same time, it's clearly part of the package you're buying, and silently taking them away after the customer spends money on that package seems ... really questionable, to me.

But it's a shame that InXile is causing themselves this kind of bad publicity, whether they're "allowed to" or not.
Post edited October 07, 2014 by BadDecissions
Posted October 07, 2014
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korell: Just thought I'd post this here:

http://discuss.bis.gov.uk/consumerrightsbill/what-are-my-rights-under-the-draft-bill-when-buying-digital-content/

Obviously this is a UK government thing being on their sites, but it basically states that (under the Consumer Rights Bill) when buying digital content it has to be of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose, and meet any description, otherwise the customer is entitled to a repair or replacement, or some refund. It also states (AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TOO) that the customer is entitled to a refund if the trader sold the digital content without having the right to do so.
And the answer to the last part is going to be - it's not sold, it comes as free extras, which then of course begs the question if the game is the same in different editions, why is the price different if those extras are allegedly free.

Mess, mess and more mess all around.

I do however strongly dislike how GOG just sits at the sideline behind the guard of "we're just a distributor" and doesn't lift a finger to get this mess resolved, instead refuels our frustration by repeating "contact inXile" like a mantra - at least it appears so.
Posted October 07, 2014
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JudasIscariot: All I ask is that anyone who has a grievance regarding this situation, please contact us via the proper official channels. Thank you.
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HypersomniacLive: And the answer to the last part is going to be - it's not sold, it comes as free extras, which then of course begs the question if the game is the same in different editions, why is the price different if those extras are allegedly free.

Mess, mess and more mess all around.

I do however strongly dislike how GOG just sits at the sideline behind the guard of "we're just a distributor" and doesn't lift a finger to get this mess resolved, instead refuels our frustration by repeating "contact inXile" like a mantra - at least it appears so.
Um, from what I just read above, they're asking customers to contact *them*, not inXile...
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