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Gundato: Things like this remind me of people who get arrested while protesting. They CLAIM that they were arrested because they are for/against/aroused by abortion, but in reality they got arrested because they got out of hand and started harassing/attacking/fondling somebody to prove their point. :p

Yet another childish analogy that doesn't work , eh ? Worst, this one isn't even funny...
And i suspect you never went to any protest/demonstration, otherwise you'd know better than that...
Post edited October 05, 2009 by Namur
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Gundato: Things like this remind me of people who get arrested while protesting. They CLAIM that they were arrested because they are for/against/aroused by abortion, but in reality they got arrested because they got out of hand and started harassing/attacking/fondling somebody to prove their point. :p
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Andy_Panthro: To derail this point slightly, my brother has been arrested several times before he even got to a demonstration, only to be released when the demo was finished. The police try to disrupt things as much as they can, through arrests, kettling, confiscation of banners etc..

That one might have been a bit insensitive.
Well, to be fair, I was referring mostly to the idiots who complain about having their "freedomz attacked" because they got arrested at an incredibly trivial protest about using trays in a dining hall or something. I just took the more semi-serious topic because it lended itself better to humor.
I guess it does vary from protest to protest, but I haven't really noticed any problems (if the protest has a permit and cap), but that might be a cultural difference.
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Gundato: Things like this remind me of people who get arrested while protesting. They CLAIM that they were arrested because they are for/against/aroused by abortion, but in reality they got arrested because they got out of hand and started harassing/attacking/fondling somebody to prove their point. :p
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Namur: Yet another childish analogy that doesn't work , eh ? Worst, this one isn't even funny...
And i suspect you never went to any protest/demonstration, otherwise you'd know better than that...

Apologies. If it makes you feel better, I can stop attacking the absurdity of arguments through equally absurd metaphors/analogies and instead ignore the topic at hand and attack the person making the absurd argument. You seem pretty good at that :p
As for the humor: Meh. Sometimes I get lucky, and sometimes I have a quiet room staring at me. Can't make every post a laugh-a-thon (but I can try) :p
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Gundato: It is actually kind of hard to get banned :p
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lackoo1111: i wouldn't say that : )

Well, let me rephrase that. If you can resist the urge to directly insult them, admit to piracy, or use self-censored profanity, you are probably not going to get banned. :p
You do any of those, and you are boned. Although, it is rather easy to get away with indirectly insulting people.
Post edited October 05, 2009 by Gundato
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Gundato: Apologies. If it makes you feel better, I can stop attacking the absurdity of arguments through equally absurd metaphors/analogies and instead ignore the topic at hand and attack the person making the absurd argument. You seem pretty good at that :p
As for the humor: Meh. Sometimes I get lucky, and sometimes I have a quiet room staring at me. Can't make every post a laugh-a-thon (but I can try) :p

No apologies required. And i wasn't trying to attack you, i'm sorry if i gave you the idea that it was my intention to do so. But your view on protests/demonstrations came across as an uninformed one.
If you really think those kind of remarks/analogies are pertinent to the discussion, then by all means carry on.
As for the humor, yeah i know what you mean. We all have our bad days...
Post edited October 05, 2009 by Namur
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StingingVelvet: Steam is not like Xbox (thank God)... they don't certify games or anything like that, they are just a store.
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Aliasalpha: The inverse of that is that every single thing on the xbox marketplace works, even crap from the very early marketplace days that noone but me is interested in. Certification has its benefits

It certainly does, especially to more casual users, but personally the openness of the PC platform is the main reason I am a PC gamer. Better graphics and mouse aim is great, but it's the open platform aspects that keep me supporting PC in the current gaming climate.
If they ever close the PC as a platform, I will probably just stop playing PC games, and maybe games entirely.
I'd like to point out that I've had a very similar experience with gamersgate. I bought far cry 2, and the store page had absolutely nothing on it about third party DRM. Given that I knew FC2 had securom on release, I was actively looking for it, but given several other games explicitly listed third party DRM on their store page and FC2 mentioned nothing, I could be sure that the gamersgate release was devoid of any such annoyances. Download, very slowly and painfully. Hello SECUROM! How would you like to install yourself on my system today!
So yeah. I buy stuff via impulse if I can, personally.
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DavyRam: I'd like to point out that I've had a very similar experience with gamersgate. I bought far cry 2, and the store page had absolutely nothing on it about third party DRM. Given that I knew FC2 had securom on release, I was actively looking for it, but given several other games explicitly listed third party DRM on their store page and FC2 mentioned nothing, I could be sure that the gamersgate release was devoid of any such annoyances. Download, very slowly and painfully. Hello SECUROM! How would you like to install yourself on my system today!
So yeah. I buy stuff via impulse if I can, personally.

Simply put, if you ever have concerns about DRM with GamersGate, email them before purchase. They will always tell you what DRM is used even if it's not listed on the product page (they have actually told me in the past that the DRM status of a game is not always listed due to publisher requests, etc.).
Yep, bansama is correct...they're really good about getting back to you on DRM requests. And if you're worried about missing a sale item, if you start the purchase process and come back to it later...even after the sale is over...you'll still get that item at the sale price.
And yes, they are limited by publisher contracts they signed before DRM became the major customer issue that it has become.
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CaptainGyro: I'm confused. Where did the post say that advertising other sites=banning at steam? I've seen other sites mentioned a few times there, so I assume it's allowed.
and sorry but no I don't feel like making a gog complaint at the steam forum. I'm lazy and don't care enough about it to make a forum account ( I don't think you can just log in to the forums using your steam id. You need to make a new username don't you?)

Steam got particularly Anti-GOG to the point of locking/deleting any and all mention of GOG when Interplay lauched on Steam, due to the insane pricing discreptancy, and Steam wanting to keep it quiet.
The hilarious thing is (I was a part of the group arguing for GOG) that there were Steam users admitting that with GOG you own the games, whereas with Steam you don't, and that they were $4 more expensive each on Steam, but that it still made more sense to buy them on Steam. The only logical conclusion we could arrive at was that the Steam users wanted "all teh gams in onz lizt". Or that they couldn't bear the thought of not having a played game on their Steam usage stats. (Xfire?)
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CaptainGyro: I'm confused. Where did the post say that advertising other sites=banning at steam? I've seen other sites mentioned a few times there, so I assume it's allowed.
and sorry but no I don't feel like making a gog complaint at the steam forum. I'm lazy and don't care enough about it to make a forum account ( I don't think you can just log in to the forums using your steam id. You need to make a new username don't you?)
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anjohl: Steam got particularly Anti-GOG to the point of locking/deleting any and all mention of GOG when Interplay lauched on Steam, due to the insane pricing discreptancy, and Steam wanting to keep it quiet.
The hilarious thing is (I was a part of the group arguing for GOG) that there were Steam users admitting that with GOG you own the games, whereas with Steam you don't, and that they were $4 more expensive each on Steam, but that it still made more sense to buy them on Steam. The only logical conclusion we could arrive at was that the Steam users wanted "all teh gams in onz lizt". Or that they couldn't bear the thought of not having a played game on their Steam usage stats. (Xfire?)

Can I pull out my somewhat insensitive protest metaphor again? Please :p
Seriously, I have a sneaking suspicion that those threads were locked/deleted, not because Steam is "anti-GOG", but instead because people were acting like morons, whining about pricing (which inevitably led to people complaining about Euros vs Dollars), and because you guys clearly were mocking the userbase of Steam (considering that your "logical conclusion" is rather rude and flamebait on its own).
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Gundato: your "logical conclusion" is rather rude and flamebait on its own).

How so? $10 for a rental *IS* worse than $6 for ownership...that matter is not open to debate. Even if you dispute the "rental" label for Steam subscriptions, the point remains that $10 is worse than $6, and that you own nothing paid for with Steam.
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anjohl: How so? $10 for a rental *IS* worse than $6 for ownership...that matter is not open to debate. Even if you dispute the "rental" label for Steam subscriptions, the point remains that $10 is worse than $6, and that you own nothing paid for with Steam.

Now this is something that's definitely not open for debate.
EDIT: And come on, GOG has extras.
Post edited October 11, 2009 by PhoenixWright
Steam's support for older games like Jagged Alliance 2 is pretty bad.
Mine crashes every time I exit the game.
Something paying more for a better service is a-ok situation for me.
So far, every game I bought from GOG is working quite flawlessly, no complains.
I'll throw in my 2c. Do note I've read very little of this topic.
Personally, I do not trust Steam very much, I dislike their self-declared omnipotence regarding most things. I don't like how easily they can take away a product I have honestly paid for. Now most argue "well if you just follow the rules, they won't do anything." But I figure any who declare their omnipotence regarding how I use my software is both invasive and manipulative.
Steam is still reliable for game servers, and I have no objection to their freedom to moderate their servers as they see fit. As long as their moderations do not actively take away what I have paid for without legitimate justification.
I love GOG.com so far, not a single issue with the games (or atleast, no issue which is the result of GOG.com's work), easy to use and no hassles that jump out and bash me over the head with my keyboard.
If I have to choose between buying a game on Steam and on GOG.com, GOG.com is going to win. I'm willing to pay extra for the beautiful pleasure that is games without the added fuss of giving a blood and urine sample in order to prove I'm allowed to play it.
Seriously, I have a sneaking suspicion that those threads were locked/deleted, not because Steam is "anti-GOG", but instead because people were acting like morons, whining about pricing...
Nope. Certain moderators were actually also editing posts to remove ALL references to GOG. They left the pricing complaints, idiotic Steam fanboy rants and so forth alone. They specifically removed references to GOG only. But then, when you have Steam fanboys as moderators, that's bound to happen.
If you put a post up on Steam forums going "don't buy MDK2 on Steam, it's only $5.99 on GOG" or "don't buy super game 2010 MK2 on Steam, it's $10 cheaper on CheapGamesOutlet.com", you can rest assured they will be deleted within the hour, regardless of where they are posted and whether you're making a new thread or replying to an existing one.
They're absolutely nazi about anything that could even in fringe cases be interpreted as advertisement for other digital distribution services - it's not just GOG.