I expected more fallout in the answers.


Fallout is the, of RPGs. I'd say NOLF is the, of FPS. Possibly Deus Ex is the, of PC games.

In a more conventionnal manner, with the full "we are supposed to officially say it's the best", probably Half-Life and Baldur's Gate. They have that status. I'm not extremely fond of them (Half-Life was still a rail shooter with incoherent plot, Baldur was a still a classic dnd that took itself a bit too seriously - I could never overcome the trying-too-hard character portraits, and the trying-too-hard french voices). I'd use the Citizen Kane vs Casablanca analogy there, if I thought Citizen Kane was a snobbishly overrated movie reference. But I think it is not. I still enjoy the much lighter Casablanca more, but I was highly impressed -and moved- by Citizen Kane. I really want to re-watch it.

Well someone clearly doesn't like to read books :-P But no, no way it's Planescape (and I love planescape.) I'd actually say it's something like Zork or ... Along those lines.

We don't often agree, but you are absolutely correct about Sands of Time. It had frustrating controls (let's have you push a button before you can initiate combat, just for fun!) along with punishing and not-at-all fun checkpoints. Not to mention the fact that half the time you were fighting camera angles to be able to successfully jump from one spot to another.

Doom, because I named the shotgun Rosebud.

Comparing games to movies is getting more and more insulting to me, honestly. While I love stories in games I love them when they are interactive, and interactivity is what MAKES a game. Immersing yourself in a world, my personal motivation for gaming, is based on interacting with it.

In the sense of a Citizen Kane that exemplifies gaming in the sense of this is what games can be, the artistry of interactivity, gameplay and presentation, I would say it has to be Deus Ex.

This is a good question, something I was thinking about eariler.

I was wondering if I wanted to show someone who had no interest in gaming, the best that gaming had to offer, what game would I show them.

Deus Ex is probably the "Citizen Kane" of gaming but I would probably refer a non-gamer to Half-life (1 or 2) as it is much more accessible. You don't need to be as forgiving with it as you do with Deus Ex.

Actually I'm fairly certain I've read more books than you, because I used to live on a regimen of
3-10 books a week (those Discworld ones went fast). But I think this topic was about the movie Citizen Kane and not the book. And although both have historical significance, it's wrong to keep holding it up to the skies as if it were a holy object simply because traditionally this has been done so by other people. I understand the need to conform, but realistically very few people that are not dangerously close to the grave still really care about Citizen Kane the movie. Heck, most people will never ever bring it up unless someone else does and then they will spout the same opinions as the rest because that's just how humanity works.
Conform or die.

I have to agree with jungletoad on this one. I don't think there's one single video game that could be compared to the influence and quality of Citizen Kane in a convincing way. Not that we don't have innovative or genre defining video games, quite the opposite, and not that we don't have high quality titles, but none of them sticks out enough for fitting both of these (or more) qualities in a way similar to Citizen Kane, so unless you strictly define on what specific basis you'd like to compare the movie with a game, it's all rather arbitrary, IMO.

For me, as for other before me, PS:T was one of the games that most impressed me for its depth and complexity in terms of story, but that doesn't make it a Citizen Kane yet, if you also examine it for its innovative aspects, influence, polish, narrative techniques etc. (btw, I'd suppose most movies are based on some kind of narration, while games are an entirely different animal, like StingingVelvet mentioned already, they don't necessarily need to tell a story, so that makes them hard to compare, too).

Daikatana.

Hello,

Citizen Kane introduced a wide range of new techniques to the art of film making. It was not very appreciated as is first release. And films not recognized as art before CK. But later was called a huge classic, or the defining classic, all films after had to orient themselves at, to be classified as art. Interesting article can be found on http://www.gamesradar.com/the-citizen-kanes-of-videogames/ .

I think the author is right here. So for each gaming genre there is, you could find your citizen kane.

For jump n runs it is Super Mario.

For Action RPGs it is diablo or zelda.

for run n gun games it is super metroid.

For driving games it is Driveout

For flying games it is Red Baron

For Space sims it is Elite

For Strategy games it is Steel panthers.

For 4x games it is Master of Orion or Master of Magic.

For Civilization building 4x games it is Civilization.

For Open world roleplaying games it is Ultima 4.

For Space Exploration games it is Starflight.

You can do your own list you know, i am tired.

Have a nice day.

I would go on and elaborate, but ... You're wrong. This would be true if there were any other videogame like Planescape: Torment that would surpass it in every aspect, and I would agree with that sentinent. After all, that is what I think about Baldur's Gate 1. However, I am yet to encounter such a game. Also, I am probably the person who's least likely to succumb to peer pressure, so don't pull 'It's not actually your opinion!' bullshit on me, I am quite capable of judging quality of product, thank you.

That's awesome, you've really put me in my place with my bullshit. Thank you.
Except that I was talking about Citizen Kane and not a game. Thank you very much.

Oooh, so you quoting: And then writing: Was a complete coincidence. Sorry about that then, for some reason I was under the impression that you were reacting to FraterPerdurabo and extending your post to both Citizen Kane and Planescape.

Oh that part is true, but the post you quoted was about Citizen Kane.
You quoted my Citizen Kane post and then proceeded to incorporate one of my other posts without quoting or linking to it.
I'm sure your Planescape feelings aren't conformity though, I can completely understand those. Although I personally do find it to be an insanely boring game overall. Hence the comparison, which although slightly tongue in cheek, was my true opinion.