We should still express our thoughts. For example Amok has voted mrkgnao and is waiting to hear back from mrkgnao on his innocence or guilt.

I think everyone should continue playing the game and vote how they feel.

I have been holding off giving much detail about my scum-reads or voting, because I wanted to hear from GreenDigitalWolf first. I figured if there were fewer accusations and debates flying around, he would be more likely to address the popperik nightkill and not try to side-step his response. He might be waiting for a wagon to form before he comes back, so momentum is already going away from him, for instance Ixam has already said lurking is a valid strategy, so perhaps he isn't as inactive as he is pretending.

Having said this, ending the Day with a no-lynch, and forcing Ixam to pick one of us to randomly die, is the absolute worst scenario. In that scenario, not only do with lose a villager, but we also don't get any lynchwagon information. For that reason I am going to elaborate on my feelings, and just give up on GDW posting at this point. I hate to do it, but I don't see a way around it. My posted my scumlist above, without much detail, but now I will elaborate on my top scum pick.

My top scum pick is amok. It is for the following reasons:

1) His post 290 when he uses a loaded question to point the finger at me as scum without actually coming out and saying so. When I asked him later what his reasons were, he deflected with a joke.

2) His post 345 where he votes for HijacK, but within the same post directs attention at myself, trentonlf and mrkgnao. I seems as if he already knew HijacK would flip town, but he was setting up his actions for Day 3. Otherwise, his actions don't make sense, because he joined a wagon then called everyone else scum because they are on the same wagon.

3) His post 411 where he again accuses me without really accusing me. He just sort of hints that I am scum trying to kill the most experienced players, but never comes right out and gives solid reasons. At least he spelled my name right in that post though. :P

4) His post 484 where he finally places a vote on mrkgnao. He says he did so by using random.org. So, that way if (more like "when", if I am right amok) mrkgnao flips town, he will have a perfect argument against his own guilt ("Hey, it was just random!").

You guys can throw out points 1 and 3 if you think they are too OMGUS on my part. However, I think it is scummy no matter who he targeted. Furthermore, in this case, I am one of the more experienced players, so it makes sense for amok as a wolf to subtly target me. Perhaps laying the groundwork for town to place the first vote or votes on me while he can safely sit int he background.

Vote: amok

I think you have a lot of valid points and I am going to go over his posts again and think about this. I have stated he is up on my list of possible wolves because of his posting and what he does post does not give much to the game, but more confuses me or just makes me laugh.

I didn't realise amok was waiting to hear back from me. Are you, amok?
I don't consider random.org a valid method at this point in the game and therefore saw no reason to remark on what I viewed as a desperate attempt to create a "deniable" wagon by someone I had listed as a leading wolf suspect.

trentonlf, as you seem to hint that I need to state it: I am a villager.

Not sure we have time, so i will vote for a viable candidate. GDW and Amok are the two wild cards.

Vote: Amok

A curse is looming once again, makes us all look like we have a death wish :-/

Krypsyn I applaud you. You are showing us how this game should be played. You make excellent points once you target in on someone and paint a picture for us to follow. I made a point in post 447 about my thoughts of GDW and an experienced player behind the scenes. And now Krypsyn has provided us a road map to lynch amok.

So that being said, Krypsyn I do believe you are who we should be looking at. The initial lynch of SW you were the final vote. You portrayed yourself as the unwilling killer, even allowing everyone more time to speak up giving us the impression you don't really want to kill SW but have no choice. Perfect opportunity to paint yourself as a good townie.

After reading GDW's posts, what do you know the perfect scapegoat has shown up. GDW made very poor comments saying he was just excited to move onto the next round and seemed unconcerned if SW was innocent or not. I mean after that it should be easy to frame him. So kill JMich as he was suspecting GDW and he is an experienced player (possibly the seer too).

Next day starts and HijacK posts his thoughts (making it no longer necessary to focus on GDW) with Krypsyn shortly thereafter (Painting another picture for us to follow for a few people depending on where he needed to go). I see some comments in Hijack's post that I found odd and questioned them. HijacK then made some more observations and posts that seemed overly defensive and odd. It even became the "who is a wolf GDW or HijacK" and it fell on HijacK since GDW started to disappear about that time. Krypsyn made a few posts pointing out HijacK's scummy ways and his suspicions, once again giving us a roadmap to follow.

Krypsyn was the first vote on HijacK, RWarehall the second, and mrkgjnao the third. RWarehall removed his vote after seeing some posts that led him to believe HijacK was innocent and I became the third vote. amok came into the game shortly before RWarehall voted for HijacK. He had no hand in the first round of votes or the first NK (if he is a wolf). amok makes some interesting posts, but nothing that paints him one way or the other. The vote stays at 3 for awhile so amok tries to move the game along and places the fourth vote. I begin to change my thoughts on HijacK and removed my vote. HijacK now has 3 votes and popperik makes it 4 after he felt HijacK was too defensive. I placed the 5th vote back as promised since a curse was looming. Once time had become an issue and HijacK was the nearest one to being lynched Krpsyn kept pointing out that a lynch was a must instead of a curse, making sure we got the lynch in on HijacK.

Now the NK, let's make it look like a mistake or possibly suspecting the seer and killing them. Day starts and everyone is confused as popperik was the next prime suspect. Has to be a rookie mistake, no reason to kill someone who was probably on his way to being lynched. Let's look at GDW again, he has been to silent. Lurking around and when he does post saying nothing significant. I start pointing out that GDW is probably not the one we need to be looking at, so how do we fix this. I throw a vote out for amok that was a test to see if anyone would jump on it. I really was hoping to hear more when I did (my thoughts even at this time were leaning toward Krypsyn), but it was once again not until the curse was looming that people started taking notice. So Krypsyn lays out a roadmap for us to follow and lynch amok.

I believe Krypsyn is a wolf and playing a good game at it too. As I said I applaud you, but believe we will kill another villager if we vote amok.

UNVOTE TREE BY THE RIVER
VOTE KRYPSYN

Interesting story, trentonlf. The way you portray it, it does seem to add up. It is odd, however, how you dismiss all my points against amok with a hand wave though:

Also, there is a huge flaw in your reasoning:

By this quote, I am assuming that you did not see GreenDigitalWolf's posts before he edited them out. I did. It is the biggest reason I didn't want to do full scum reads and analysis until he had posted, and why, when I did give a more complete analysis, I only did it only amok. I wanted to see who would still be targeting him, and who might still be trying to use him as a lever against town. Given what GreenDigitalWolf posted during Night 2, I was reasonably certain he was not a wolf.

For everyone's benefit, GreenDigitalWolf voted to lynch popperik, not knowing that Day 2 had already ended (hopefully, he will get around to actually posting to confirm what I saw). When popperik was nightkilled, I was reasonably certain that the wolves had not seen his edited out post, because doing so would have removed GreenDigitalWolf, an obvious Day 3 target, from a lot of suspicion had anyone else seen his posts before they were removed.

I believe now that not only is amok a wolf, but you are his wolf buddy.

I think that you placed a quick vote on amok early on, and then amok tried to bait me into voting for him by casting subtle aspersions on me. He was, in fact, an obvious choice for me in particular, since he was next on my scumlist from the end of Day 2, and I had already pointed out his loaded question to me. Worst case scenario, amok gets lynched and confirmed as a wolf, but you come off smelling like a rose because you started his wagon. Best case, you do as you are doing now, and use a vote against him to trump up reasons to go after me.

I'll leave it for town to decide who to lynch Today, because either way I think you have lost. We can still win even if I am lynched and you two are both taken out on Day 4 and Day 5. It'll be close though.

I assure you I am not a wolf, my concern is finding them.

No, I did not see GDW's post that were edited out.

It sounds as if you are attempting the same thing as HiijacK in saying "Go ahead and kill me to see how wrong you are" knowing that HijacK was innocent so people will feel you are innocent too.

I am. You may or may not remember, but it was the only thing he did which I thought was remotely pro-town. It is really all I can do. I can only lay out the facts as I see them and let everyone else make up their minds. If they need to lynch me to confirm it; so be it.

Right now, amok has 2 votes, I have only 1, and mrkgnao has only 1. It is not dire yet, and I am hoping town chooses correctly. Even if they don't, that game still isn't lost.

how long do you think I will stay at L-2?

I have been working all evening on MaGog's "GOG scanning" code, rewriting portions of it to adapt it to GOG's new look and format (probably 1-2 weeks of work; why, GOG, why?).

Before going to bed, I entered our thread to see what had happened. I must say I am rather dismayed. I had all but convinced myself that trentonlf and Krypsyn were villagers, but now I feel I need to reconsider both. Reading their scuffle left me with some nagging doubts about both of them. I can now imagine one of them being a wolf, perhaps even both.

trentonlf:
- Makes a reasonable case againt Krypsyn, but
- I am wary of people who claim post-factum that they did something in order to trap a wolf ("I throw a vote out for amok that was a test to see if anyone would jump on it. I really was hoping to hear more when I did (my thoughts even at this time were leaning toward Krypsyn)").
- This is the second day that he pulls a rabbit out of a hat with a curse looming over our heads.
- Mentions in passing that JMich was "possibly the seer too". Weird comment. What are the odds of that? 1 in 9? Why would it be related to the night #1 kill?

Krypsyn:
- Makes a reasonable case againt trentonlf, but
- I am wary of people who claim post-factum that they did something in order to trap a wolf ("I wanted to see who would still be targeting him, and who might still be trying to use him as a lever against town. Given what GreenDigitalWolf posted during Night 2, I was reasonably certain he was not a wolf").
- Having also seen GDW's nightly posts, I am not so sure they are such a clear-cut indication that he is not a wolf, nor that he is a wolf. Either a wolf or a villager could have made the mistake of replying to post X (which is what GDW did) without noticing that post X+5 (or something like that) was nightfall.

Nevertheless, none of this is enough to make either of you more suspect than the three I have already doubts about (amok, GDW, Sage). I am ignoring for now the fact that both of you began a wagon on amok and I will just follow my own instincts, which I have already stated several times before.

UNVOTE: THE TREE ON TOP OF THE HILL
VOTE: amok

P.S. amok, I have no idea what you can learn from the number of hours you stayed at L-2, except possibly the number of hours I spent working on MaGog.

P.P.S.
2014 Academy Awards:
The winner in the category of "Scariest Moment in a Horror Film":
- The last 4 seconds of GOG's "Fresher, Better GOG.com" movie: "And more is yet to come. So stay tuned".
More? More???

I assume that my last vote will drop soon. Good.

I am just going to point out that Trenton for some reason thinks I am a villager, even though I have played quite scummy.

Let me say a few things...
First, the Night 2 info is news to me. The problem is I don't see that as necessarily conclusive. So he tried voting Popperik. I'm not sure this means anything except that he's been a bit absent from the game.

To be honest, I still have GDW as my prime suspect. As to why I voted Amok, its because I was off to work, and he is the next most suspicious person to me and we have a curse to worry about. I'd rather have my vote on GDW.

Here's why I suspect him...
1) His relief at moving on (despite not being in any danger). Plus his response to this that he was really anxious for the next phase. This worries me a lot. What next phase is he talking about? The night phase? As town, night phase isn't very exciting at all...

2) Next, while it appeared he might have been framed, especially since HijacK pointed out the JMich link, we now know that HijacK was in fact town. So, he wasn't framing GDW and really I don't see anyone pushing hard against him at all. So if he wasn't framed, did he in fact have a part in killing JMich?

3) GDW's behavior has been rather suspicious. I'm just shocked he isn't garnering any votes at all. He just seems to be skating by. I find it hard to believe unless he's a wolf and we have two people with a vested interest in keeping him alive.

4) We've asked some good questions and gotten no real answers to most. Very convenient to not be around to answering them.

5) Here's the big one. If I read any other person here, I get leaning town reads on all of you (including Amok). So I'm either wrong twice if GDW is town. Or just wrong once. I'm finding it more likely to believe there is only one wolf among you, rather than two.

All this said...I'm not sure, but he's my top suspect. And reading past posts, should GDW turn out to be town, I bet I get more info out of it, than if Amok turns out to be town.

I'm not sure how long we have before "night", but I'd much rather lynch GDW than Amok. Of course I'm not risking a curse, so my vote stays Amok for now.

It is possible amok is the other wolf, but if I am right about Krypsyn then amok is a villager. If we kill another villager pretty sure the wolves will win this. I sure hope I am wrong about Krypsyn.

We can still win with a village kill mistake, but we'd have to nail two wolves in a row and have all three villagers on the same page (which is hard not knowing who is who and harder yet many of us don't seem to agree on much).

Like I said, we need to avoid a curse. So we have 3 votes on Amok.

I'm on Amok, but I'd be more than willing to change it to GDW if we have the votes. I think he's the better choice but that's just me.