And me, my thoughts are that neither amok or GDW is a wolf. Of the two I would say amok leans that way more than GDW, but not enough for me to vote for him. I think the wolves have had us running around since we started.

While I mostly agree with you, RWarehall, I believe the problem with GDW is that we can't determine whether his actions are game-related (i.e. lurking), in which case I agree he is the prime suspect, or metagame-related (a.k.a. life), such as:
1) He lost interest in the game, in GOG, in the colour grey, etc.
2) He has more important things to deal with (e.g. back to school, homework, the colour grey, etc.),
in which case he could be either a villager or a wolf (more likely the former).

It is my feeling that this kind of extreme "lurking" is game-breaking, which is why I suggested he be replaced. However, I accept our mod's decision to let us stew with it. I am also willing to vote for GDW, but I am afraid, like you, that starting a wagon on him at this point will be a divisive move, what with the curse looming.

Still waiting for Sage to make a move...

On a slightly related issue:
- My wife reminded me this morning that this weekend is labour day weekend and that we have made travel plans (Lassen Volcanic National Park).
- We will be leaving Friday afternoon (PDT) and returning Monday evening (PDT). During this time I will likely have little or no internet access. But even if I have, I wouldn't be able to post because with the new "better, fresher" GOG design, the browser on my Kindle Fire HDX crashes every time I open the message posting window on the forum.
- I would like to ask you (and our mod) to therefore extend night #3 (which I tend to believe will fall before I leave) until I return (i.e. until Monday evening), to allow me to fully participate in the dynamics of the game.
- That is, of course, if I do not die during the night. If I do, feel free to begin earlier.
- I apologise for introducing this delay at such a critical juncture of our game, but, you know, life...

*as dim light descends on the village, a new sign is still visible on the Church doors...*


mrkgnao - 1 vote (amok)
amok - 3 votes (Krypsyn, RWarehall, mrkgnao)
Krypsyn - 1 vote (trentonlf)

FORMAT
Person with votes on them - number of votes (people who did the voting)

The majority to lynch is FOUR VOTES




I have no problem with this - it looks like it should line up nicely with our upcoming Night anyway.

Can you explain why it would have removed suspicion?

mrkgnao and others I am sorry I have been MIA today - Tuesday and Thursdays and therapy days for mom so I can not really get on to read and post until they are done.

^ This post confuses me and turns my stomach a bit.

I have to agree with the first part as why I asked Krypsyn to explain why it would have changed things. I can kinda understand trying to stay out of curse but I do find it a bit scummy to put a vote on someone just to vote. But he does state it is his second choice.


I have had my suspicion of mrkgnao but I am almost sure he town. I agree with his posts. and especially his post above 506. and the post below.

I agree very much with this.

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When I read trentonlf post about Krypsym one thing came to mind. Hijack. Hijack said something along the lines of my death will not go in vain. It will help the game either way. He was suspicious of Krypsyn was this because he knew more than we did or was it just he was going over him because Krypsyn was going after him. I do feel Krypsyn has been leading the game but I am not sure if it is because he is a good town or a well thought out wolf.

amok stating people are assuming he is town really nerves me. If you are town why not say it. Why not try to help us find the wolves.

GDW- Gone completely. Someone said that if he is killed we will learn from it. What would we learn? He is not adding anything to the game now. If he is a villager we would be no farther to finding the wolf as he was not adding anything at all and it would be just like it is now, silence on his end.

I am surprised no one has commented on this peculiar post from amok (well, "peculiar" is perhaps not the right term; let's say "more peculiar than usual").

Is this "though I have played quite scummy" a wolf trying to seed some last minute doubt, or is it a villager stating that he intentionally played scummy to attempt to draw out the wolves?

If it's the latter, I tip my hat to your bravado, amok, although I'm not sure how successful a move it was.

I was about to reply to mrkgnao about his GDW stance, but replying to you will cover both.

GreenDigitalWolf has been a prime suspect since Day 1. He voted for popperik at Night, but the wolves still killed popperik. I don't believe wolves would have nightkilled someone for whom one of them had just mistakenly voted. It is very WIFOM, but I don't think that wolves would risk that sort of attention on one of their own.

Secondly, while I may buy a wolf not paying attention to the thread because they don't need to scum-hunt, I do not buy a wolf totally missing the end of the Day. It seems to me that a wolf would be waiting for a townie to get lynched and check that first, then immediately go to scumchat to figure out who they were going to nightkill.

Thirdly, maybe I am mistaken about the wolves not reading the posts pre-edit. Maybe they were banking on the fact that someone else might see GDW's mistaken vote, then bring it to light to further paint GDW in a bad light. It would be virtually no risk from the wolves point of view. Even if the posts were only up for a few minutes (which they were), there was still the chance of them being seen by someone. This does have the added benefit of explaining why popperik was nightkilled, as well.

The last option, which would indicate GDW is scum (thus a point against my reasoning), is that it is the wolves were trying to throw off suspicion for GDW by voting for popperik, in case anyone else saw the posts pre-edit. I just don't see this, because it could easily backfire. The only reason I include it is because is is another plausible reason for the nightkill of popperik.

After GDW made his Night-posting mistakes, I went back and read through his posts again. Every time I do so, he more and more seems like an over-eager inexperienced villager, rather than an over-eager inexperienced wolf. He says things that I don't think a wolf, with his guard up, would ever say. Things like he isn't reading all the posts, or how he is excited for night to arrive. I freely admit this bias in my analysis: he just hasn't played as I would expect a wolf to play.

I hope my long winded and somewhat convoluted reasoning answers your question. ;)

Thank you it does.

Are you a villager?

For some reason all my very clever and best laid plans never seem to work.... I blame other people.

No.. I mean YES! ... (phew, that was close)

You forget, Krypsen, the option that you have an inexperienced and inattentive wolf. The night seemed to drag on as well. As to what you would learn. You can look to other people's past reactions to GDW. They very a lot. It tells you something based on what he is and who others might be based on that. Amok, tells me nothing. We have near universal agreement that his actions and methods seem scummy. Thus, if he were a wolf, we'd have little clue to his partner and if he were a villager, we'd have little clue to which villagers seem more scummy for voting him, vote order by damned.

And @Sage, interesting how you call voting my 2nd choice scummy. Mafia is a game where town must often compromise. If we all only voted our #1 picks, no one would ever get lynched as you need more than half. To get anything done, you mat have to give a little.

But since we can't achieve a lynch, because no matter who is the subject, we do not have 4 votes, the town has lost. This will not get better tomorrow when there are 3 town and 2 wolves because town clearly cannot agreed on anything. Apparently, too many of us are a little scummy, but not scummy enough to vote for causing a no-lynch.

Good game wolves! You sowed enough confusion that we were paralyzed.

Anyway, Krypsen has a serious point. I look at recent Trentonlf actions like voting Amok, starting the wagon and pulling out before it finishes. Was he sneaking in a vote for his wolf buddy just in case? He also seems to be the leading cause of delay. First talk of trees, then cannot make a decision until we hear from GDW. Stalling tactics? There are two kinds if intentional. Not posting/lurking and throwing a wrench into the equation.

I implore whoever is left of town tomorrow to vote Trentonlf (assuming I'm not wrong and he is still alive) as he will pretty much be the sole cause of our curse. You need all three of you to agree or town loses. And the wolves will do everything in their power to confuse you.

P.S. I'm off to work now, so no chance to change my vote for about 13 hours. With numbers being 5 town to 2 wolves, and since I cannot change my vote, you'd need all 4 town to vote unanimously and good luck with that if you believe GDW is town....

I do not want a curse and it seems that we are at a stand still in voting, I want other opinions. Do you see yourself changing your votes? Is there anything that can be said or gone to sway you? Is there any other points you want to bring to the table?

If not I will vote amok.

I do find him scummy but not top of my list but he is on it.

I didn't forget it, it was implicit in the fourth point I made in post 517 where I suggested that the wolves may have targeted popperik to cover up GDW's mistake (or try to spin it in a more useful direction). I just don't give it a high probability, since I think the potential upside for wolves would be far outweighed by the potential downside.

Green and lavender complement each other quite nicely.

I don't dismiss the possibility, however the probability is quite small given the current state of the game (impending curse) and the fact that I find amok to be quite scummy.

Little short of the Seer role-claiming and pointing the finger at someone else would likely shake my resolve at this point.

Navy and black don't complement each other at all!

One can hope.

Who is on top, if I may ask? In post 456, you list your reads, but you don't define the order in which you suspect them overly much. Besides, much has happened since that post, and you opinions may have changed. At the very least, I would expect your views on myself and trentonlf to have changed somewhat, for better or for worse.

Sage, I believe that RWarehall in post #522 is the voice of reason. I don't necessarily agree with all his conclusions, but his practical attitude is, I believe, the right one for the current situation.

I will not change my vote at this point. Not because I am 100% certain that amok is a wolf (I am not), but because doing so will be divisive. I have stated that I suspect others (including you) but I see no point in changing my vote now as it will not lead to a lynch. The important thing is to work together as a village. We should make the best educated guess we can as a group and live with the consequences.

I respect trentonlf for having the conviction to open another voting wagon, but at the same time I definitely suspect him for it.