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General discussion (archive)Gears of War DRM issue: game hardcoded to stop working on 1/28/09(84 posts)(84 posts)
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Posted January 30, 2009
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Ois: I thought stores like Wal-Mart will not stock R18, so when going for the large US demographic, you cut down the game a bit to increase it's chance of it having a life on a shelf.
The "games are for kids" attitude is still prevalent to joe public too.
As for Australia? No R18 at all!
We have Michael Atkinson (I apologise on behalf of South Australia) to protect the kiddies for us in case some older child (anyone under 30) brings home a title that a little one may grab. Apparently, this does not happen for print-media and film. (end rant)
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cogadh: The thing is, despite the fact that WalMart is the largest retailer in the US, it is not the only place you can go to get games. Its not even the place with the best selection. There are literally hundreds of other outlets games are sold in, yet the game publishers have allowed just one of those to dictate what can and cannot be sold everywhere in the US, instead of allowing the customers to dictate that, which is how it should be. This is why I hope the digital distribution model becomes the standard; the corrupt retailers that push their misguided morals on the public are removed from the picture and gaming can finally have the stigma of "games are just for kids" removed from it.
I'm not sure if that will help our Aussie friends at all, though.

Not as long as they have their strict censorship laws....
Posted January 30, 2009
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JudasIscariot: Not as long as they have their strict censorship laws....

Speaking of strict censorship laws, here's an interview with Michael Twatkinson... er... atkinson (the wanker responsible) citing the reasons he opposes it
"In cinemas, the age of moviegoers can be regulated, and at the video store people must provide ID to hire R18+ videos. Once electronic games are in the home, access to them cannot be policed and the games are easily accessible to children. These days, older children (18-30) are often living in the family home with younger children (under 18). This means games belonging to older children or parents can easily make their way into the hands of those under 18.

Well that part is pure bollocks, I rented the R rated Robocop when I was 14 (and I did it on beta no less!) without being carded and the whole "put a game in a cupboard with a lock or on a shelf where children can't reach it or just smack the little shits if they steal your copy of GTA4" doesn't seem to occur to most people...
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Posted January 30, 2009
So let me get this straight children can find their big brother's video games lying around the house, but they cannot find their big brother's movies lying around the house... Is that the general idea of mister Atkinson's statement?
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Shoelip
Posted January 30, 2009
No, R rated movies have a cloaking device that obscures them from the vision of children, at least they do in Australia...
Apparently...
Might explain why DVDs are so fucking expensive here.
Basically he's saying movies are nothing to worry about because they're not interactive so you can show a 3 year old back to back hentai porn or have a saw marathon and they'll be fine but if they play gears of war they'll turn into a bloodthirsty killer (or at least be desensitised to bloodthirsty killers)
Ois, you think you could arrange to kidnap him and give him a spanking that we can all watch on youtube?
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Posted January 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: No, R rated movies have a cloaking device that obscures them from the vision of children, at least they do in Australia...
Apparently...
Might explain why DVDs are so fucking expensive here.
Basically he's saying movies are nothing to worry about because they're not interactive so you can show a 3 year old back to back hentai porn or have a saw marathon and they'll be fine but if they play gears of war they'll turn into a bloodthirsty killer (or at least be desensitised to bloodthirsty killers)
Ois, you think you could arrange to kidnap him and give him a spanking that we can all watch on youtube?

So, umm, no offense, but do Australia's trains run on time??
Posted January 30, 2009
All those warped movies on SBS I watched in the 80s and 90s made me the man I am today. One who looks at it and now says 'meh'. Unless it's a good one of course.
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Aliasalpha: Ois, you think you could arrange to kidnap him and give him a spanking that we can all watch on youtube?

It is rather tempting...
I'm actually planning on a Trifecta and getting Conroy and Fielding at the same time :)
Posted January 30, 2009
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Ois: All those warped movies on SBS I watched in the 80s and 90s made me the man I am today. One who looks at it and now says 'meh'. Unless it's a good one of course.
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Aliasalpha: Ois, you think you could arrange to kidnap him and give him a spanking that we can all watch on youtube?

It is rather tempting...
I'm actually planning on a Trifecta and getting Conroy and Fielding at the same time :)

Be sure to spank conroy with a length of cat 5 or fibre cable, it'll give hundreds of IT pros a good laugh
Posted January 30, 2009
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JudasIscariot: So, umm, no offense, but do Australia's trains run on time??

None taken. Australia is very backwards and, well, crap, when it comes to technology.
We will soon have a country wide firewall (easily bypassed) to screw us over even more.
Trains were out last week due to the heat buckling the rails, so we fail on transport as well.
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Aliasalpha: Be sure to spank conroy with a length of cat 5 or fibre cable, it'll give hundreds of IT pros a good laugh
That's pretty much a given!
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Ois
Posted January 30, 2009
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JudasIscariot: So, umm, no offense, but do Australia's trains run on time??

most of the time, yes. buses on other hand...
PC game industry is so lame in Australia. After coming back from Poland where even some random supermarket had more pc games on shelf than EbGames or Game combined I was very disappointed. In big shops you get tens of new game, hundreds of releases and hundreds of re-releases! and everything so cheap. I got whole morrowind saga and plus two random games for 3.50 USD. Legally of course.
anyhow
what someobdy said before. we all lose on that drm scandal.
Posted January 30, 2009
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JudasIscariot: So, umm, no offense, but do Australia's trains run on time??
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Ois: None taken. Australia is very backwards and, well, crap, when it comes to technology.
We will soon have a country wide firewall (easily bypassed) to screw us over even more.
Trains were out last week due to the heat buckling the rails, so we fail on transport as well.
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Aliasalpha: Be sure to spank conroy with a length of cat 5 or fibre cable, it'll give hundreds of IT pros a good laugh
That's pretty much a given!

Well I was actually referring to a quote about how fascism might have been bad but at least the trains ran on time. Why was I referring to fascism? Because of those censorship laws...they smack of fascism in my humble opinion. (granted, the US is no sterling example....but at least we can get R rated games in an EB or something of that nature.)
@Ois: About that firewall deal...are freaking serious? Was there a Chinese invasion that I didn't hear about in the news? Care to elaborate on this firewall thing?
Post edited January 30, 2009 by JudasIscariot
Posted January 30, 2009
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lukaszthegreat: what someobdy said before. we all lose on that drm scandal.

Umm, I don't see how we lose anything due to this scandal. In best case they're hit with class action suit and lose and they get the one intelligent judge in the entire US to pass judgement that developers have no right regulate the use of products bought from them. (sensible judges, good judgements? In USA? Yeah right.)
How come this kind of thing can still happen with computer games when in similar case Sony was forced to abandon DRM protection scheme all together on music CD's when people found out it installed similar crap on users computer without their consent.
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Petrell
Posted January 30, 2009
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JudasIscariot: @Ois: About that firewall deal...are freaking serious? Was there a Chinese invasion that I didn't hear about in the news? Care to elaborate on this firewall thing?

Oh boy, far too much to get into off topic here.
You can find out a fair bit here nocleanfeed.com.
edit: trimmed my off topic rant. Check the website, and/or I/you may also start an on-topic thread.
Post edited January 30, 2009 by Ois
Posted January 31, 2009
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JudasIscariot: @Ois: About that firewall deal...are freaking serious? Was there a Chinese invasion that I didn't hear about in the news? Care to elaborate on this firewall thing?

The short of it is that the relentless harping haridans of the protect the children brigade have convinced a few of our more gullible or moronic politicians (not sure how to tell the difference) that there's porn on the internet and NO WAY TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN (apart from all the ways there are to protect the children).
Consequently the communications minister, who I was hoping was going to be a step up from the luddite he replaced, is determined to take millions of dollars that COULD go towards improving our shitty communications infrastructure and spend it instead on a piss easy to evade firewall that would have no effect on anyone technical or who knows someone technical or spend it on deep packet inspection filtering that would basically break our access to the entire internet & make our ADSL2+ connections function like 56ks and violate every privacy right we have
Post edited January 31, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Posted January 31, 2009
Hahahaha!
Oh my god.
Epic epic!
Posted February 03, 2009
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acare84: Yes I have the retail copy of the game. And yes, I am getting the same error. Thank you Micro$ucks.
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Aliasalpha: Official kelly clarkson website??

LOL, just my girlfriend wanted to see her new single from her web site. This is not my fault. :P
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