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meudoland: emulation.....
I've got no idea if that works or not. But I definitely don't see it as something that GOG would support for numerous reasons.
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Barefoot_Monkey: You're right that "cracked" doesn't necessarily mean DRM-free, but "DRM-free" does and GOG games are DRM-free by policy. As such, if they crack a game then they do so in order to remove DRM/copy-protection/etc. Also, they do so with the consent of the rightsholder, and I trust that they ensure that the resultant game is fully functional and free of malware.

In summary: you have nothing to worry about.
I would guess that he's worried about the DLL files associated with some DRM scheme and still present in a few GOG releases, despite the fact that they're never actually called after the DRM has been sidestepped/removed from the EXE's.

If I had knowledge of those filenames and their association with whatever-DRM, and was new to GOG, I'd be confused too.
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meudoland: before speaking, force to turn on the brain.
read again carefully every my post, because maybe u would find the subtle enlightening meaning.
in a word, CRACKED doesnt mean DRM-free. understood?
i would pray to have true DRM-free games.
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AndrewC: You can't have DRM free on a game that already had DRM without modifying the source code in one way or another, thereby cracking the game.
but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
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Runehamster: So.

GoG has founded its business practices on providing old games that are DRM free. I declare this topic invalid, if you want DRM in your game by all means go to Ebay and buy the potentially incompatible originals.

Also, I think I smell the unmistakable scent of troll.
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meudoland: before speaking, force to turn on the brain.
read again carefully every my post, because maybe u would find the subtle enlightening meaning.
in a word, CRACKED doesnt mean DRM-free. understood?
i would pray to have true DRM-free games.
Actually, I did understand. And out of curiosity, are you using Google or Babelfish to translate? I think your insults are losing their impact.

Okay, look at it this way. You don't want games that are cracked, because you're worried that the DRM might still be there. I have news for you: Any game that EVER had DRM, still has it. If you buy The Witcher and update it to the latest version, they didn't magically make it go away, they just edited the code - I.E., cracked it - so the code didn't run. Any screwing around with the files and you might reactivate it. Likewise, when GoG removes disc-check DRM, they are not actually removing the code, they're just deactivating it. It's still there. The only place you'll find games that never had DRM in them is probably very old games, or some indie games.

My point still stands. If you don't want what GoG is offering, that's fine. I completely understand. But you aren't going to find what you're looking for anywhere, unless you pay somebody to commit the highly illegal act of recoding the games. If you want copies of the game with the original DRM unmodified, then you should go purchase them, and deal with the problems inherent in them.
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AndrewC: You can't have DRM free on a game that already had DRM without modifying the source code in one way or another, thereby cracking the game.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
Now you're talking about two different things, quality control for stability and security for virus attacks. I can say after buying many games here, and talking to people that own 60+ games, that GoG is renowned for both. GoG simply does not release a game unless it is stable. They do test it, and they respond if the community discovers bugs they hadn't by fixing them and uploading new installers for us to download. As for security, yes, they do check carefully - there is no point in a digital distribution company distributing viruses, so they carefully scan and check what they use, on the occasions where they are not using their own crack.

And finally, please remember that by asking GoG to host the original files without the cracks, you're asking them to double the amount of hosting they currently engage in. They'd also have to get approval to host ISO's of CD-roms instead of digitally distributing modified installer packages. All this costs immense amounts of money and time that I don't think you clearly grasp.
Post edited January 14, 2011 by Runehamster
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
I think the point is that these are not concerns with GOG games ... they have access to the rights holders, they test the games for stability, and nobody has gotten malware from GOG.

You're right. If you were to download random cracked games from sketchy sources, you would have very valid concerns.

The entire point of GOG is they release legal games that have any DRM they once had removed (inactivated) then GOG tests them and ensures they are compatible and stable. That's why they exist. It's their job. Have you gotten viruses from GOG? Are the games unstable due to cracking?

The only case where I had to download an original exe with a CD check DRM was for Red Baron 3D's multiplayer because some servers don't accept the no CD exe. They are afraid you might being using a badly cracked copy if you have a no CD exe. However, the no CD exe from GOG is entirely stable and not a problem. These sites just don't want to take the risk that you are not using GOG's version ... and the original CD launcher for Red Baron multiplayer is available for Red Baron 3D and even on that you didn't truly need the CD (you just clicked six times in the upper right hand corner and it by passes the need - it was just asking not demanding it in those days). So those sites (like you) are just overly cautious. Other than that, GOG's removal (inactivation I suppose more accurately) of DRM has not been a problem.
Post edited January 14, 2011 by crazy_dave
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AndrewC: You can't have DRM free on a game that already had DRM without modifying the source code in one way or another, thereby cracking the game.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
GOG's main work is to ensure old games ( dos + win 95's ) are working on modern OS ( xp, vista, 7 ). In most cases they don't have access to original source codes, so they have to modify binary files of these games to make them work. That means lots of "cracking" and "hacking" and other "...cking" stuff.

Without these modifications you would be unable to run these games at all. So there's no point in publishing original cd/dvd images, because in most cases you'll be unable to run them.
Post edited January 14, 2011 by mondik
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Miaghstir: I would guess that he's worried about the DLL files associated with some DRM scheme and still present in a few GOG releases, despite the fact that they're never actually called after the DRM has been sidestepped/removed from the EXE's.

If I had knowledge of those filenames and their association with whatever-DRM, and was new to GOG, I'd be confused too.
Oh, I see. So the question isn't about whether the games are DRM-protected, but whether GOG installers stick drivers and shell extensions and crud into your operating system. That's a good question, but I'm inclined to say that you're safe from that too.

BTW meudoland, I'm also a fan of Alcohol - in fact I've even bought it, just like I bought the games I use it on. Some people I know consider paying for Alcohol to be ironic :P
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
I prefer DRM free always no matter what medhod is used to remove or get around it. Oh and I've cracked all games I've bough before GOG came and never had a virus (thats ~200 games) and in my experience cracked games are more stable and reliable than games infected with DRM-viruses.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
That's moot, because GOG does proper quality assurance. You can reasonably expect that games here will be stable and not have any viruses.
Personally, I would prefer a virus-infected crack to a DRM-laden game. My antivirus software can help protect me from the first, not from the latter.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
As other and myself told you, stability and security aren't necessarily affected by a crack being applied to a game; this even more-so when you take into account the QA GOG.com already does to ensure that the games run on modern OSs.

As for answering your question, it wouldn't help you make your point simply because I, unlike others here on the forum, have absolutely no problem with certain DRM schemes (Steam for example); I'm only here for old games and that's it, I don't care if it has DRM or not nor if it is cracked (in your acception of the term) or not.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
You need to put things into perspective here... we are talking about old games, you have 1'000'000 more chances to have a stability issue because of a compatibility with modern system than having one caused by an incorrect patch. Not to mention that if a patch is too "unstable" you often have another group releasing a "proper" release somewhere down the road.

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meudoland: in a word, CRACKED doesnt mean DRM-free. understood?
i would pray to have true DRM-free games.
I hate DRM as much as the next guy (maybe even more) but you have to remember that DRM are not some sort of sickness that will destroy your computer by simply "being there", for DRM to be "harmful" they have to be "active", you can have all the Securom, Steam or Starforce DLLs installed in the game install folder, if nobody call them they are harmless, that's what most crack does, even if the DRM code is still there, if nobody calls it then it's as DRM-free as anything else.
Post edited January 14, 2011 by Gersen
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TheEnigmaticT: Well, crack's a heckuva drug. Have you seen pictures of what it does to people? I mean, I'm ardently opposed to DRM, but not at the expense of my health.

Oh, wait. That's not the question you were asking in the subject line, was it?

All I can offer is, if you're running Windows, your primary concern shouldn't be over the security flaws that may or may not exist in a program which has had its DRM removed, but rather in the (documented) holes that do exist in the security of the OS itself...
I'm guessing your NOT the PR guy?

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meudoland: before speaking, force to turn on the brain.
read again carefully every my post, because maybe u would find the subtle enlightening meaning.
in a word, CRACKED doesnt mean DRM-free. understood?
i would pray to have true DRM-free games.
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Runehamster: Actually, I did understand. And out of curiosity, are you using Google or Babelfish to translate? I think your insults are losing their impact.

Okay, look at it this way. You don't want games that are cracked, because you're worried that the DRM might still be there. I have news for you: Any game that EVER had DRM, still has it. If you buy The Witcher and update it to the latest version, they didn't magically make it go away, they just edited the code - I.E., cracked it - so the code didn't run. Any screwing around with the files and you might reactivate it. Likewise, when GoG removes disc-check DRM, they are not actually removing the code, they're just deactivating it. It's still there. The only place you'll find games that never had DRM in them is probably very old games, or some indie games.

My point still stands. If you don't want what GoG is offering, that's fine. I completely understand. But you aren't going to find what you're looking for anywhere, unless you pay somebody to commit the highly illegal act of recoding the games. If you want copies of the game with the original DRM unmodified, then you should go purchase them, and deal with the problems inherent in them.
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meudoland: but would u prefer a DRM game or a CRACKED (to avoid legitimate user control) one which can suffer from possible STABILITY [made bad crack] and SECURITY [virus embedded] issues?.........
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Runehamster: Now you're talking about two different things, quality control for stability and security for virus attacks. I can say after buying many games here, and talking to people that own 60+ games, that GoG is renowned for both. GoG simply does not release a game unless it is stable. They do test it, and they respond if the community discovers bugs they hadn't by fixing them and uploading new installers for us to download. As for security, yes, they do check carefully - there is no point in a digital distribution company distributing viruses, so they carefully scan and check what they use, on the occasions where they are not using their own crack.

And finally, please remember that by asking GoG to host the original files without the cracks, you're asking them to double the amount of hosting they currently engage in. They'd also have to get approval to host ISO's of CD-roms instead of digitally distributing modified installer packages. All this costs immense amounts of money and time that I don't think you clearly grasp.
If the author modifies the source as was the case with the witcher that is NOT cracked but edited.
Post edited January 14, 2011 by Egotomb
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Egotomb: I'm guessing your NOT the PR guy?
Actually, I am. Which may or may not be cripplingly demoralizing for everyone else on the forum. :P
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Egotomb: I'm guessing your NOT the PR guy?
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TheEnigmaticT: Actually, I am. Which may or may not be cripplingly demoralizing for everyone else on the forum. :P
:) ... care to say what the T means? or is that why it is enigmatic? ;)
Post edited January 14, 2011 by crazy_dave