I always tell people that Farscape 1st season takes a bit getting used to. It has a very different feel than almost anything else I've seen, and it kind of "feels off" for a bit because of it being so different. The first season is also pretty low budget, but they pull off a look and feel of it not being so low budget, so it feels awkward. The different characters and ways of progressing are very different, and again, take some clearing of your expectations and assumptions about what is going on. However, once your palette is adjusted a little, it works much much better. I highly recommend people to watch the first 2 seasons, then go back and rewatch them before continuing on with the 3rd and 4th. It's not a drawback to the show AT ALL IMO, but a testament to how fucking great it really is. I can't understand how you mean "been there done that" with it, it is absolutely unique and throws about every single thing you've seen in sci-fi before on its head and says "we're doing it THIS way!" and they do it well. The writing is phenomenal: character development, story arcing, individual shows, seriousness dashed with humour to keep it not so dark. Ooof, I could go on and on about all it has to offer. I understand not everyone will like it, but, I really do suggest trying it again!

Voyager is bland all around pretty much. Horrible characters (The Doctor and Seven of Nine are the only remotely well-done characters in the show, and they do have some interesting elements, it's not complete trash, sure) - Janeway is awful awful awful, I can't even stand to watch her acting. All the other characters are jokes with no development or personality and are almost as painful to watch act as Mulgrew (I had the displeasure of seeing her speak in person and her personality in RL was just as atrocious.) Some of the episodes have interesting sci-fi concepts, and then the writers just poop on the good ideas with shit writing. Enterprise is actually better overall.

Check out a sci-fi miniseries called "The Triangle" too, for those who are always seeking more good sci-fi.

/Ack!/

BURN THE HERETIC!!!

Ack, burn the stupids who think that trash is worthwhile at all!

It is absolutely one of the worst shows ever made (hence it's quick cancellation and massive fan-base of soulless brainless followers who actually think it/Joss Whedon is any good at all.) It is completely contrived, rehashed troped, bad formulaic puke-tations of horrible writing and acting. Joss Whedon is bad, but Firefly takes the cake on his levels of suck. All, IMO, of course.

love you, peace!

PS: I MIGHT give this to Firefly: it MIGHT be better than The Walking Dead, maybe, which is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen - but hey, that's a whole other convo. I don't really care to get into it more (:

It's just good to put the different points of view out there so other people can see/get an idea, because that is why the whole thread generated anyway. Just like any reviewer, you can learn that you more think someone's PoV is more on track with yours or not. I think Mr. D and I might have more of the same tastes than you and he, as far as what I've seen around the forums goes anyway. - just as an example, it's not a competition

I kinda have the same view about Farscape (well, a little less extreme than yours, but "muppets in space" is really not my stuff), so I guess we're even. ;)

Overall, my personal experience is that Farscape fans and Firefly fans don't mix well.

Well, apart from my brother who is a fan of both, but he's a mutant freak.

I find there to be a big overlap for Dark Angel of people who like both Farscape and Firefly.

It's pretty obvious we have very different tastes. No point in arguing really, as I would only end up saying the exact opposite of almost everything you said (except for Janeway, whom I also greatly dislike). I don't think I'll ever go back to Farscape, at least not any time soon. The last time I kept on watching a show I didn't like against my better judgement on recommendation from others I painfully wasted a lot of time exposing myself to the relaunched Battlestar Galactica, the worst piece of shit I think I ever saw.
There are people who liked Dark Angel?

Yeah, that new Battlestar Gallactica actually is right on the level with Firefly and The Walking Dead for me as most horrible stuff ever, so, there is that similar opinion for us at least!
:þ I love it, and yes others do too. It's the sort of B-grade production with A+++ writing/directing that I love/look for. I think Jessica Alba is fantastic in it, and not because I think she is attractive or the outfits they put her in/moves she makes. The love story is one of the best ever (right up there with Farscape's love story.) The overall story is excellent, albeit mostly implausible and with some plot holes/extentions of disbelief that aren't really that bad. The "bad guys" are huge grey areas of deep personality that are very intriguing (also one of the things I love about Farscape, the progression of antagonists and complexity of character/story involved with them, Farscape does it much more superiorly to Dark Angel, but Dark Angel does it very well.) Dark Angel is also one of the few shows that gets better and better and better as it progresses. I think the last 5-8 episodes are some of the best sci-fi TV shows.

I watched space 2063 when I was young, loved it so much. Watched half an episode lately and realized that the tv show is from nowadays point of view very cheese-ish.

I can understand someone that says that FIREFLY is not good for him, actually I did not like at all the first episodes, (Later I loved it) but what I cannot understand people that says the VOYAGER is good, seriously I am a Trekkie, and I think is a GARBAGE, the same way I am a STARWARS fan and I think Lucas did a horrible Script writing job in the new ones, not mention the stupid changes in the old ones...

But yes, even if I enjoyed FIREFLY, I am sorry but FARSCAPE is WAY BETTER THAN FIREFLY, is years light far better...

The same is often said about the old and new BSG, though at least cheese is edible, soap is not.
Anyway, aside from entertaining moments, I find most sci-fi TV shows hard to watch.

@YaTediGo
Except for Farscape I agree with you 100%

As someone said before VOYAGER has some of the worst things ever in STARTREK,

The initial idea was very good, an isolated crew in a new area of the Galaxy, this could open so many posibiities, at the end it turns out that is the same thing, but did it in a crappy way.

Most part of the characters are just horrible, 7 of 9 is the only interesting character, and not because she is hot, the doctor is probaby the best actor in the series, he even make interesting a horrible concept of character, Janeway is not bad, some people dont like her, I think she is good but the whole series is so bad that is impossible to make her bright.

The rest is unbearable, Chakotay and his stupid rituals, in a series that talks about reason, the episode he is communicating with his "past fellows" is plain ridiculous, Tuvok the black vulcan, because you know oh! racism... (when all the vulcans have "green" blood, so they usually have like "yellowish/green" skin in the best moments. This is what happens when audience terms are more important than the story itself, why not to make a very smart startrek race with black color and portrayed by black race? actually the actor was good, he could perform a very good and charismatic race instead of made him copy Leonard Nimoy, but no, hey! too much work... so... black vulcans...) Neelix is simply the STARTREK JarJAR Binks, but honestly, JARJAR is a great guy compared to him, not to add his first alien girlfriend, the cute blonde girl that leave the series probably horrified by have her career tainted with that crap, too bad for her that her dissapearance of the series is even more horrible than her initial script. The half klingon stupid girl, Jesus... the worst excuse ever to portray an "easy make up version" of a Klingon, and her character? someone kill her please... or Tom Paris, the best pilot ever... no comments... not talking about the rest of the crew... well Harry Kim wasn´t too bad, but he plays almost zero interesting moments...

Not counting the horrible plots, with very few exceptions in some episodes, and that plain, fast, poor developed, and stupid ending...

The only good thing about STARTREK VOYAGER is ELITE FORCE for PC, nothing else.

GIFT - NEELIX "BEST" MOMENTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2I6J21ZId4

If they are the "best" imagine the worst ones...

Lol feeling kind of like a therapist for your voyager trauma right now lol. But I think your right, fairly good analysis, except I did not like Kees.

DS9 was not that good, glorified war in some episodes (gene would probably rotate in his grave), but still better than voyager, which probably killed the franchise. But they needed Worf and Miles to save DS9, which is somehow awkward.

And the new movies made by Abrahams, well the first one was ok, despite the fact that he used it as his application for Star Wars. Also he copied the optics of Mass Effect 1, but don`t tell anyone outside the gaming community, lol.
I felt bad for Eric Bana to play such a two-dimensional charakter."I am really angry, so I travel back in time, wait 20 years and then kill the whole planet of the guy that tried to help my people, because duh!"
But at least I enjoyed Simon Pegg and Karl Urban especially a lot. Would love to see another rough Judge Dredd but for some reasons Hollywood is ditching everything that includes poverty or "bad" police..

But the second Star Trek mady by Abrahams was abyssal. Godawful. Could not watch to the end.

Wow, that's a lot of hate. And really silly most of it too. Voyager sure had flaws, but if you hate the show because it had a black Vulcan and Chakotay's cultural background was not to your liking I really don't know what to tell you. After all, it's not like Star Trek is all about embracing diversity, right? You just seem hateful of the characters for no good reason. B'elanna was definately a way more interesting character than LaForge. Neelix is no JarJar. He's a actually a really well acted character with more depth than immediately obvious, a lot he hides behind that bafoon mask. Just watch Mortal Coil, it's a brilliant episode. Or Once Upon a Time.

Is Voyager as good as the Treks that came before it? No. But it's still plenty damn good. I'm really getting a little tired of all the hate that gets piled on that show.

If you think DS9 glorified war than you clearly were not paying attention.

Hey found this sci fi short movie on vimeo, pretty good for a small production, and really terrifying .
https://vimeo.com/64778965