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I like a company that puts out a solid working game, even if it's a little late. That should be the industry standard, and frankly it's shocking that it isn't.
Post edited December 08, 2014 by LinustheBold
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Cyraxpt: Heh, where's the guy that heard about The Witcher 4 for 2017? :)
Yeah, but Q4.
As long as it means there will be no 1GB+ day 1 emergency patch, I'm perfectly OK. Just deliver a good, stable game to us.
Aaand it's *almost* on my birthday, so it will be a nice birthday present for me :)))
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algirdexas699: pre-order the game
And the smartest people would not preorder a digital game, seeing the harm preorders do to the industry :-P
Ordinarily I wouldn't mind so much, but this has been paid for, for months and months. You're dicking around too much.

By all means delay if you have to, but you're going to have to take that in to consideration when you decide to open pre-orders.

It's my own fault though, I don't pre-order at all from anyone else, but I did for this, it's a simple solution. I won't in future.
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algirdexas699: pre-order the game
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Fenixp: And the smartest people would not preorder a digital game, seeing the harm preorders do to the industry :-P
Obviously I'm not smart!, what harm does it do?
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algirdexas699: pre-order the game
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Fenixp: And the smartest people would not preorder a digital game, seeing the harm preorders do to the industry :-P
Yeah? o_O Pray tell.. What is the harm? I really don't know and can't think of anything :o And I'm a bit lazy to search on the net... forum discussions are more interesting to me :D
This is kinda pissing me off though. Get your shit together CDP.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-witcher-3-no-more-delays-dev-promises/1100-6419648/
I'm totally honest right now:
I am kinda sad it got delayed BUTT literally every big game is coming with a Day1 patch nowadays and in some cases not even that's enough to make the game fully playable. Of course I am looking at the usual culprits here but even my childhood love - Nintendo - starts to do that now.
So my tolerance towards delays has increased SIGNIFICANTLY. Of course if it's actually used for QA, which I have no reason do doubt right now. So if I can play the game on release date from start till finish - let them delay it till August. Preferably the 19th - that would be an awesome birthday. :D
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Cavenagh: Obviously I'm not smart!, what harm does it do?
It makes pre-release hype more important than game quality. If people buy the game before they know how good it is, companies will be more likely to pour money into marketing to sell the game instead to developement to make better game. If people waited for reviews, then they would mostly buy only good games instead of getting shitty/broken from pre-orders then devs would be more encouraged to make better games and those shitty out would die out more easily by themselves.
Oh well. Better this than rush it out like EA with 2000 basic features missing and a 60 GB day one patch.
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algirdexas699: Yeah? o_O Pray tell.. What is the harm? I really don't know and can't think of anything :o And I'm a bit lazy to search on the net... forum discussions are more interesting to me :D
I think TotalBiscuit sums it up pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
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algirdexas699: ...
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Cavenagh: ...
Short version: Digital market does not have limited stock, therefore preorders are pointless - you get the same amount of the same product, regardless of whether you're purchasing it before or on release, so preorders are of no benefit for a customer. However, preorders are very good for publishers - they can get money for a product before it even gets released, before there are any reviews or opinions on a game out there - basically, they can get some money for a product which is an absolute turd. That's why publishers manufacture the last issue - preorder bonuses. And yes, even CD Project is guilty of this.

Long story short: To get money for a product which customers can't find any reliable information about, publishers bribe customers with cheap trinkets which will then never be availible after release, even for people who paid full price. 100% anti-consumer, 100% pro-publisher.

And yes, you can argue that CD Project is good, honourable and their games are great or whatnot, but that doesn't make the practice itself good - it's the same thing as if CD Project started putting DRM on their games, but you'd say it's good because it's by CD Project.

Long long version by TotalBiscuit, actually explained down to fine details
Post edited December 08, 2014 by Fenixp
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PaterAlf: I think TotalBiscuit sums it up pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
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Fenixp: Short version: Digital market does not have limited stock, therefore preorders are pointless - you get the same amount of the same product, regardless of whether you're purchasing it before or on release, so preorders are of no benefit for a customer. However, preorders are very good for publishers - they can get money for a product before it even gets released, before there are any reviews or opinions on a game out there - basically, they can get some money for a product which is an absolute turd. That's why publishers manufacture the last issue - preorder bonuses. And yes, even CD Project is guilty of this.

Long story short: To get money for a product which customers can't find any reliable information about, publishers bribe customers with cheap trinkets which will then never be availible after release, even for people who paid full price. 100% anti-consumer, 100% pro-publisher.

Long long version by TotalBiscuit, actually explained down to fine details
Thank you very much, kind sirs! :)
Post edited December 08, 2014 by algirdexas699
Interesting.. A post from codex.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-its-made-of-rape.80281/page-149#post-3635119

Looks like that one Neogaf member was right about CDProject having production problems with the game.

"it looks like many gaffers are painting CDP as some magical dev studio with only the best of interests of the gamers in mind. Trust me they are not. The bullshitting with the Witcher 3 started from day 1. PR is creating an overblown vision of a game that doesn't exist while the team is in crazy crunch time for over a year now. There's some bad shit going on that if GAF knew GAF would not like."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132704069&postcount=310

Normally this user would be ban for spreading fud, but he was verified by a mod. Meaning he's either a developer on it or has some sort of a close connection with CDProject.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132744341&postcount=359

2 Months later we got a trailer with that shows a downgrade and now the announcement of a delay. Going to be interesting to see if the game ends up being a mess or a disappointment.
Post edited December 08, 2014 by Tormentfan