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Anyone had a chance to see HAPPY! yet?
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Andrey82: BS
Grey Cardinal is completely disagree with you. :) His ex-wife have very good position: she is giving orders and if something bad happens command will put blame on captain. :)
She had never given any order behind captains back.
command want experienced captain in times of war? That, unlike Mercer, he already has been approved for captain's seat on Buran
Yeah and killed his crew.

She wanted to ground him AND he decided to follow orders this time: not to endanger crew and ship to save admiral. :)

Like there was any danger - with shroom drive he previously dealt with klingons easily.
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LootHunter: No they didn't.
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it was Burnam who disobeyed that directive and discovered the connecton.
It took Discovery's crew a whole episode to figure out what was obvious from the start.

Why not? This is completely same tropes than old series? :)
Tropes are not what defines Trek.

And what they patrol in space controlled by enemy? XD This was Starfleet territory! XD And any raiding cruiser would prefer better target than a shuttle.
No.
It was and Stamets told Lorca that he wants to safely get crew from danger because there is Klingon ships coming and they represent danger to Discovery. This was main reason why he, Stamets, offered another jump to Lorca, not Lorca insisted!

Still no explaination, why they could't use regular warp.

Actually, it is. There is many scenes where he explains this and whole 8th episode is almost totally built around Saru's carefulness. :)
No. Saru just follows standard protocols. Burnam in his place would've made the verry same choices.

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LootHunter: As for Tilly, "annoying girl who wants to become captain" is not a personality.
Then there is no personalities in Orville, only walking obsolete tropes. :)
What's Tilly's greatest fear? Why does she want to become a captain? What are her hobbies?

You said that annoying girl is not a personality! :) And in «Command Performance» she was just like that instead became "annoying girl who DO NOT wants to become captain".

No.
By the way, almost everything was done by Isaac because locals only him considered as sentient alien and not animal.
Almost.


And I never watched Orville past Episode 7. This episode was so extremely stupid (Landing on planet to save scientists, but knowing nothing about local's life??? Didn't even read any info except how locals dress???)
Not as stupid as Burnam's mutiny.

Nothing in Discovery can compare to the horrifying circus in Episode 7 of The Orville.
Except Vulcan Hello.

You. if not, why you started to bring up gay couples, SJW propaganda and other similar things?
It was you, who brought "diversity" that was so advertised by Discovery's writers.

But Discovery uses modern storytelling mechanisms with long story over episodes and character development
There is no character development in Disovery. And I don't care about "storytelling mechanisms" as long story itself is dumb.

And where do you see good standalone episodes in Orville? They range from mediocre at best to utterly terrible.
Every single episode of Orville is better than Discovery.

TOS and TNG - they are! Remove Kirk or Picard and everything will crumble to dust.
Oh, my! Why they would even bother to shoot episodes without them?!

And what they found? XD
Watch the episode again. There is direct answer given in the courtroom.

Be watching them. Even before they got to cathedral was clear: they never behave like Malloy. And still he continued to do that!

Did he got caught?

it has explanations. Not for everything, but remember that we have seen only half of the first Season.
No, thank you, I had enough of that.
Post edited January 01, 2018 by LootHunter
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LootHunter: She had never given any order behind captains back.
She was giving instead of him. A lot.

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LootHunter: Yeah and killed his crew.
Well, sometimes it is better. At least you will die fast and painless.

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LootHunter: Like there was any danger - with shroom drive he previously dealt with klingons easily.
They was and Stamets DIRECTLY tells that.

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LootHunter: It took Discovery's crew a whole episode to figure out what was obvious from the start.
For you because you know: if there was expensive CGI made for something - it plays vital part in the story. But characters inside movie doesn't know that. :)

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LootHunter: Tropes are not what defines Trek.
And they too. :)

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LootHunter: No.
Ah yes! Let engage this shuttle while raiding behind enemy lines and blow up our cover for killing 3-5 clerks aboard this shuttle instead of transport ship! Great Orville-style tactics!!! XD

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LootHunter: Still no explaination, why they could't use regular warp.
Because enemy ships is near lured by the signal.

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LootHunter: No. Saru just follows standard protocols. Burnam in his place would've made the verry same choices.
Destroying transmitter and refusing to complete mission - following standard protocols?! And Burnam makes EXACTLY opposite choice. There is even fight between them because if that.

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LootHunter: What's Tilly's greatest fear? Why does she want to become a captain? What are her hobbies?
She is very afraid of choking (she is allergic to polyester and viscoelastic polyurethane foam, which caused her to snore), failing friends or enraging someone (like Stamets when she fails). She is now cadet which belives that Starfleet is doing right things and also she is quite ambitious by the nature, so she wants to became a captain to help Starfleet doing right things even more. Hobbies I don't know, but she knows some 20th century history and things like beer pong. Also she likes musicians, but before that was fond of soldiers. This is just for start. :)

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LootHunter: No.
Yes.

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LootHunter: Almost.
And this is why previous us a YES! XD

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LootHunter: Not as stupid as Burnam's mutiny.
Nothing stupid, just trying to win the war at start. Also, she is somewhat Vulcan. :)

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LootHunter: Except Vulcan Hello.
Even this episode is not that bad as Orville.

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LootHunter: It was you, who brought "diversity" that was so advertised by Discovery's writers.
No, i wrote diversity (mnogoobrazie, if you prefer :P) without "". You should stop seeing SJW everywhere, especially is Russia. :P

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LootHunter: There is no character development in Disovery. And I don't care about "storytelling mechanisms" as long story itself is dumb.
But Orville has obsolete AND dumb storytelling! Also, there is a lot of character development in Discovery. Tilly, for example, getting a hold of herself, start to be more professional, working on her problems. For example, started to run in a morning to shape herself up under advices of Burnam.

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LootHunter: Every single episode of Orville is better than Discovery.
Every single episode of Discovery is better than Orville. :P I can play that game too. :P

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LootHunter: Oh, my! Why they would even bother to shoot episodes without them?!
Remove them from whole season and see what happens. :P

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LootHunter: Watch the episode again. There is direct answer given in the courtroom.
So what was that answer? XD

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LootHunter: Did he got caught?
Because its magic... Oh, sorry - its PARODY!!! XD

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LootHunter: No, thank you, I had enough of that.
I can say same for Orville. :P
Post edited January 01, 2018 by Andrey82
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LootHunter: snip
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Andrey82: snip
This has gone on long enough.

There's a tread made exactly for your walls of text.

Leave this one for people who want to discuss other things.

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tinyE: Anyone had a chance to see HAPPY! yet?
Maybe when the season is done. I'm not one for following shows week to week.
Post edited January 01, 2018 by DaCostaBR
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Andrey82: snip
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DaCostaBR: This has gone on long enough.

There's a tread made exactly for your walls of text.

Leave this one for people who want to discuss other things.
Actually, that would be this one, about Discovery. The one you linked is about news and ideas about future projects, and the last thing it needs is those walls of text :D
The greatest surprise in 2017 for me was The Handmaid's Tale. It has excellent writing (it is based on a fantastic book, after all) and a story unlike anything else, but it's Elisabeth Moss' superb performance that stands above all.
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Breja: So every show you try always turns out to be good? That's very lucky.
No, it's just that I wait a little bit for a couple of weeks and do some research whenever a new show airs that I'm interested in to see if it's worth my time or not. I mean, I know that there are folks who doesn't like what I watch, like Superstore, The Good Place, Glow (a good friend of mine said that I watch this show only for the half naked ladies) and so on, but I don't care about their opinion, since it's me that views those shows and not them.
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Andrey82: More BS
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DaCostaBR: This has gone on long enough.

There's a tread made exactly for your walls of text.

Leave this one for people who want to discuss other things.
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Breja: Actually, that would be this one, about Discovery. The one you linked is about news and ideas about future projects, and the last thing it needs is those walls of text :D
Ok, here is the link
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Breja: So every show you try always turns out to be good? That's very lucky.
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Rievier: No, it's just that I wait a little bit for a couple of weeks and do some research whenever a new show airs that I'm interested in to see if it's worth my time or not.
And how can you determine that other than, you know, actually watching it to find out?
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sanscript: That's warning sign when you expect a show to just fail. I guess I can relate to that...
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Breja: It's not really about this series in particular. It's experience. So many shows that I though started out very strong just fell apart at some point. Vikings. Hell on Wheels. Human Target. House. Penny Dreadful. So I try to be prepared now that it might happen to everything.
Yeah, also add to the fact that, again experience, any series that are considered "too brainy", "too intelligent", at least by european measurement, the series gets chopped. British series are also considered "not action heavy/stupid enough".

I don't think I even need to name any of them, but there are quite many of them and I've been burned far too often to even start on a new series. It's like reading a book and the end is just cut off and never there.

I'm a bit ambivalent about The Punisher, seeing how Luke Cage, Ironfist and the follow-up Defenders went pretty OK and interesting, and the rest was not something I found interesting. While surfing after marvel series I now discovered Legion. I might consider that one too.

Forgot these...

IZombie, also a bit OK: Maybe because she's cute or the fact that it features blood and all that (I've been tired of bland "crime" series ever since the popular 90's series went on and on about those), but it's almost like a simple, but funny guilty pleasure, even though it often displayed certain inconsistency. The "failed" revenged attack in a certain kitchen/slaughterhouse was just a killer (in the positive direction that is).

The GOOD: BoJack Horseman (almost in the same vain like "Drawn Together" but less crazyness). Really funny and at times cute and sad. My gf has a thing for "miss meow meow" xD
Post edited January 02, 2018 by sanscript
Just remembered that I've watched Dark Matter - third season ended in 2017 and haven't been renewed. The series falls into OK category. (Actually the series overall is more like good but the third season was somewhat weaker than the first two).
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Breja: And how can you determine that other than, you know, actually watching it to find out?
By reading on sites that writes reviews about it, as well as some comments and forums. I don't watch trailers, because just like movies and video-games (not as bad as movies are) they tend to spoil things. That's how I knew not to start and watch The Inhumans.
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Breja: And how can you determine that other than, you know, actually watching it to find out?
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Rievier: By reading on sites that writes reviews about it, as well as some comments and forums.
Didn't you just say in your previous post that you don't care what others think?
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Breja: Didn't you just say in your previous post that you don't care what others think?
I was talking about what other people think about what I watch.
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Breja: Didn't you just say in your previous post that you don't care what others think?
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Rievier: I was talking about what other people think about what I watch.
So you don't care what people think about what you watch, but you choose what you watch based on what people think.

Yeah, that makes total sense.