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walpurgis8199: Bethesda is sending review copies of Skyrim and Dishonoured 2 to reviewers one day before release.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/42QH1pTNpKSYIcgKK2C4wW/bethesda-and-game-reviews

They did do this with Doom and it turned out the game was fine, but the usual warnings apply. Don't pre-order and wait until a reviewer you trust can have a look at the game.
Jim Sterling did a video about this. Seems they've made this standard practice.
Steam is updating their screenshot policy. Basically if a developer labels something as a screenshot, it has to actually be from the game.

http://nichegamer.com/2016/11/01/steam-ban-use-misleading-screenshots-game-pages/

Not sure if GoG has such a policy, but if they don't I hope they implement the same policy.
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walpurgis8199: Steam is updating their screenshot policy. Basically if a developer labels something as a screenshot, it has to actually be from the game.

http://nichegamer.com/2016/11/01/steam-ban-use-misleading-screenshots-game-pages/

Not sure if GoG has such a policy, but if they don't I hope they implement the same policy.
Nice little measure. Still hands off but goes a long way. Most AAA games on steam have the ''screenshots'' taken from the trailer trailer or other advertising material.
Not to be the devil advocate, but i like to point out that this "new measure" steam is so interested on implementing for the "safety of the customer" or whatever you want to call it, is due to avoid possible/probable future lawsuit

As mentioned in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PkDRtl_Zpzc

Both the developer and steam can be held responsible for false advertising, if steam doesn't do anything in it's power to prevent misleading the customers

As always, steam implement new things only when it's convenient for them, or when for some reason or another, gabe ass is about to be put on a pyre

This is the same bull about refund, when EU commission of commerce told steam that by regulation they must allow some form of refund to continue to business in Europe, the limited practice was put in place, and now this

Wonder what will be next; i would really like to see some new regulation about being too offensive on forum or something, why the whole steam platform will be directly dumped in a shallow grave before most people could even say wtf

Or we would behold the biggest (first?) purging initiative of the 21st century....I'll keep the popcorn machine ready just in case
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Catrhis: Not to be the devil advocate, but i like to point out that this "new measure" steam is so interested on implementing for the "safety of the customer" or whatever you want to call it, is due to avoid possible/probable future lawsuit

As mentioned in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PkDRtl_Zpzc

Both the developer and steam can be held responsible for false advertising, if steam doesn't do anything in it's power to prevent misleading the customers

As always, steam implement new things only when it's convenient for them, or when for some reason or another, gabe ass is about to be put on a pyre

This is the same bull about refund, when EU commission of commerce told steam that by regulation they must allow some form of refund to continue to business in Europe, the limited practice was put in place, and now this

Wonder what will be next; i would really like to see some new regulation about being too offensive on forum or something, why the whole steam platform will be directly dumped in a shallow grave before most people could even say wtf

Or we would behold the biggest (first?) purging initiative of the 21st century....I'll keep the popcorn machine ready just in case
Don't be so pessimistic. All Steam is doing is what they should always do, placing the customer first. If it is only for the sake of avoiding legal action that does not matter. They are basically making sure third parties won't cause their business to collapse with false advertising and displeased customers. They are just doing business. Don't expect them to create a Steam STASI soon.
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Catrhis: Not to be the devil advocate, but i like to point out that this "new measure" steam is so interested on implementing for the "safety of the customer" or whatever you want to call it, is due to avoid possible/probable future lawsuit

As mentioned in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PkDRtl_Zpzc

Both the developer and steam can be held responsible for false advertising, if steam doesn't do anything in it's power to prevent misleading the customers

As always, steam implement new things only when it's convenient for them, or when for some reason or another, gabe ass is about to be put on a pyre

This is the same bull about refund, when EU commission of commerce told steam that by regulation they must allow some form of refund to continue to business in Europe, the limited practice was put in place, and now this

Wonder what will be next; i would really like to see some new regulation about being too offensive on forum or something, why the whole steam platform will be directly dumped in a shallow grave before most people could even say wtf

Or we would behold the biggest (first?) purging initiative of the 21st century....I'll keep the popcorn machine ready just in case
Yeah it isn't voluntary, but its happening and whether steam acknowledges it or not, this is a good step against false advertising. And most big businesses don't change their established systems much without a court order anyway. Which is probably good as well, since it encourages competition to spring up in the meantime and offer long term competition. If DRM was outlawed, we wouldn't have GOG which is now a small but sure competitor steam as well in addition to being a DRM free store.

As to other changes, I hope not much. The current ease of getting a game on steam is a good thing IMO, as it allows anyone with $100 to release a game that is, in their opinion, the best. Its offering a low barrier to entry to potential competitors of the big dev studios and publishers.

Steam refunds are not a limited / restricted system when compared to others. No questions asked refunds within 2 weeks of buying or 2 hours of play are a very very liberal when compared to others, even GOG's. Not saying one or the other is better, but its important not to forget how liberal the system is.

I hope the forums never change. I know they never will. Steam / Valve itself seems to have no control over forums that aren't general steam discussions and of their own games. So they're unlikely to be caught with any heat about trying to control the content int hem. It seems to be fully up to the person who owns the steam-page to moderate the forums, in which case any order to censor will probably mean they'll shut it down, especially in case of indie games and not have a forum at all to avoid suits from offended idiots. And the loss of the forums is a loss since help and advice can still be communicated through them.
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Catrhis: Not to be the devil advocate, but i like to point out that this "new measure" steam is so interested on implementing for the "safety of the customer" or whatever you want to call it, is due to avoid possible/probable future lawsuit

As mentioned in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PkDRtl_Zpzc

Both the developer and steam can be held responsible for false advertising, if steam doesn't do anything in it's power to prevent misleading the customers

As always, steam implement new things only when it's convenient for them, or when for some reason or another, gabe ass is about to be put on a pyre

This is the same bull about refund, when EU commission of commerce told steam that by regulation they must allow some form of refund to continue to business in Europe, the limited practice was put in place, and now this

Wonder what will be next; i would really like to see some new regulation about being too offensive on forum or something, why the whole steam platform will be directly dumped in a shallow grave before most people could even say wtf

Or we would behold the biggest (first?) purging initiative of the 21st century....I'll keep the popcorn machine ready just in case
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LeonardoCornejo: Don't be so pessimistic. All Steam is doing is what they should always do, placing the customer first. If it is only for the sake of avoiding legal action that does not matter. They are basically making sure third parties won't cause their business to collapse with false advertising and displeased customers. They are just doing business. Don't expect them to create a Steam STASI soon.
You know, when i read the first part of your comment i thought i was actually reading the wrong forum...then i saw the rest

Perhaps you are a better person then old cynical me for giving steam and valve so much credit as actually giving even a moderately low damn bout customers and their rights, or at least the phantom of what customer should have as rights, anyway, i still believe that that your are giving steam too much credit

I mean seriously, now you are gonna tell me, that steam actually treat it's customer like human being or that they don't actually consider pretty much everyone a pirate because it doesn't want their drm, or any drm, in their games...

Preposterous, unconceivable, absurd......you are a spy aren't you
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Catrhis: Not to be the devil advocate, but i like to point out that this "new measure" steam is so interested on implementing for the "safety of the customer" or whatever you want to call it, is due to avoid possible/probable future lawsuit

As mentioned in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PkDRtl_Zpzc

Both the developer and steam can be held responsible for false advertising, if steam doesn't do anything in it's power to prevent misleading the customers

As always, steam implement new things only when it's convenient for them, or when for some reason or another, gabe ass is about to be put on a pyre

This is the same bull about refund, when EU commission of commerce told steam that by regulation they must allow some form of refund to continue to business in Europe, the limited practice was put in place, and now this

Wonder what will be next; i would really like to see some new regulation about being too offensive on forum or something, why the whole steam platform will be directly dumped in a shallow grave before most people could even say wtf

Or we would behold the biggest (first?) purging initiative of the 21st century....I'll keep the popcorn machine ready just in case
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah it isn't voluntary, but its happening and whether steam acknowledges it or not, this is a good step against false advertising. And most big businesses don't change their established systems much without a court order anyway. Which is probably good as well, since it encourages competition to spring up in the meantime and offer long term competition. If DRM was outlawed, we wouldn't have GOG which is now a small but sure competitor steam as well in addition to being a DRM free store.

As to other changes, I hope not much. The current ease of getting a game on steam is a good thing IMO, as it allows anyone with $100 to release a game that is, in their opinion, the best. Its offering a low barrier to entry to potential competitors of the big dev studios and publishers.

Steam refunds are not a limited / restricted system when compared to others. No questions asked refunds within 2 weeks of buying or 2 hours of play are a very very liberal when compared to others, even GOG's. Not saying one or the other is better, but its important not to forget how liberal the system is.

I hope the forums never change. I know they never will. Steam / Valve itself seems to have no control over forums that aren't general steam discussions and of their own games. So they're unlikely to be caught with any heat about trying to control the content int hem. It seems to be fully up to the person who owns the steam-page to moderate the forums, in which case any order to censor will probably mean they'll shut it down, especially in case of indie games and not have a forum at all to avoid suits from offended idiots. And the loss of the forums is a loss since help and advice can still be communicated through them.
No offense, but 2 hours of gameplay is ridiculous, it should actually be based on an average length of the game plus a minimum of 1 hour

So a 2 hours game should not get the same refund timer as a 50 hour game where the unfinished and incomplete part may hide deeper in the code, after all phantom pain doesn't really show up with anything amiss till you reach midgame, then the mess actually start
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LeonardoCornejo: Don't be so pessimistic. All Steam is doing is what they should always do, placing the customer first. If it is only for the sake of avoiding legal action that does not matter. They are basically making sure third parties won't cause their business to collapse with false advertising and displeased customers. They are just doing business. Don't expect them to create a Steam STASI soon.
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Catrhis: You know, when i read the first part of your comment i thought i was actually reading the wrong forum...then i saw the rest

Perhaps you are a better person then old cynical me for giving steam and valve so much credit as actually giving even a moderately low damn bout customers and their rights, or at least the phantom of what customer should have as rights, anyway, i still believe that that your are giving steam too much credit

I mean seriously, now you are gonna tell me, that steam actually treat it's customer like human being or that they don't actually consider pretty much everyone a pirate because it doesn't want their drm, or any drm, in their games...

Preposterous, unconceivable, absurd......you are a spy aren't you
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah it isn't voluntary, but its happening and whether steam acknowledges it or not, this is a good step against false advertising. And most big businesses don't change their established systems much without a court order anyway. Which is probably good as well, since it encourages competition to spring up in the meantime and offer long term competition. If DRM was outlawed, we wouldn't have GOG which is now a small but sure competitor steam as well in addition to being a DRM free store.

As to other changes, I hope not much. The current ease of getting a game on steam is a good thing IMO, as it allows anyone with $100 to release a game that is, in their opinion, the best. Its offering a low barrier to entry to potential competitors of the big dev studios and publishers.

Steam refunds are not a limited / restricted system when compared to others. No questions asked refunds within 2 weeks of buying or 2 hours of play are a very very liberal when compared to others, even GOG's. Not saying one or the other is better, but its important not to forget how liberal the system is.

I hope the forums never change. I know they never will. Steam / Valve itself seems to have no control over forums that aren't general steam discussions and of their own games. So they're unlikely to be caught with any heat about trying to control the content int hem. It seems to be fully up to the person who owns the steam-page to moderate the forums, in which case any order to censor will probably mean they'll shut it down, especially in case of indie games and not have a forum at all to avoid suits from offended idiots. And the loss of the forums is a loss since help and advice can still be communicated through them.
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Catrhis: No offense, but 2 hours of gameplay is ridiculous, it should actually be based on an average length of the game plus a minimum of 1 hour

So a 2 hours game should not get the same refund timer as a 50 hour game where the unfinished and incomplete part may hide deeper in the code, after all phantom pain doesn't really show up with anything amiss till you reach midgame, then the mess actually start
Last time I checked Valve did not enforce any form of DRM at all. The problem is that they have no actual rules on DRM. And therefore other companies such as Electronic Arts and Ubi Soft enforce horrible DRM. I am pretty much sure most users did not mind DRM when it was just a short key input included on the disk. The problem is shit such as SecuRom and more recent forms of DRM such as persistent online DRM.

I AM against DRM, but I am not going to take Steam as guilty by association for having no rules about DRM.
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Catrhis: No offense, but 2 hours of gameplay is ridiculous, it should actually be based on an average length of the game plus a minimum of 1 hour

So a 2 hours game should not get the same refund timer as a 50 hour game where the unfinished and incomplete part may hide deeper in the code, after all phantom pain doesn't really show up with anything amiss till you reach midgame, then the mess actually start
Yeah 2 hours is no magic number but any significant change in that will require answers to many questions, like when should people be allowed to get their money back, or whether the refund is for technical / software issues only. Are people entitled to get a full refund after enjoying half of a game? What about a quarter or three fourths? 2 hours is just the best number to put on with current game lengths in mind, and any system requiring actual human control will probably be trashed by Valve.
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Guys, we have been betrayed.

Have you ever heard of the #Gamers4Her hashtag? A bunch of members of dev teams (Some of works you might love) started a campaign in support of Clinton. We should denounce them as traitors or something. They are supported the one who wanted to ban violent video games.

https://youtu.be/UdWgVoXn8sE
Guess who the cat dragged back from the dead and is now begging for money: http://archive.is/UOvnH

And another failure who crawls back on their knees asfter abandonign gaming for good. In case you don't remember them they are the devs of Sunset.

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LeonardoCornejo: Guys, we have been betrayed.

Have you ever heard of the #Gamers4Her hashtag? A bunch of members of dev teams (Some of works you might love) started a campaign in support of Clinton. We should denounce them as traitors or something. They are supported the one who wanted to ban violent video games.
I'd point out the hypocrisy of it, but I wouldn't start labelling people as "traitors". More like people of negotiable political affinity.
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LeonardoCornejo: started a campaign in support of Clinton. We should denounce them as traitors or something. They are supported the one who wanted to ban violent video games.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/280812064539283457?lang=de

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/pro-censorship-trump-bernie-hillary-vs-video-games

Hillary Clinton compared violent video games to tobacco, alcohol and pornography (in 2005). There are no bans on those things in the US, just restrictions for minors. That sounds like the most reasonable stance on gaming matters in this shit show of an election. Donald thinks violent games make "monsters" out of you. What a great basis for new laws.

Maybe the second amendment people can do something against those monsters, I don't know.
Post edited November 08, 2016 by Vainamoinen
Yup, Trump's anti-gaming bollocks is more current than the nonsense from Clinton regarding this topic, they're both dangerous douchebags using the old "control through fear" tactic though.
Post edited November 08, 2016 by Klumpen0815
There's quite a few things riding on the outcome of the US presidential election, but I honestly believe video game laws isn't one of them. When is the last time someone even ATTEMPTED a violent video game ban? (and I'm talking about introducing legislation, not merely pandering in some interview)
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Erpy: There's quite a few things riding on the outcome of the US presidential election, but I honestly believe video game laws isn't one of them. When is the last time someone even ATTEMPTED a violent video game ban? (and I'm talking about introducing legislation, not merely pandering in some interview)
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/28/nation/la-na-0628-court-violent-video-20110628

I've listened to the entire Supreme Court hearing. It's actually quite brilliant.