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wyrenn: I am so not looking forward to Discovery. Because I've read many things saying that it's aiming to be the new Game of Thrones, and I do not want titties in my Trek.
Yeah, the whole "we put it on our streaming service so it can have nudity and swearing" angle makes me cringe. I mean... they do know what Star Trek is, right? You want sci fi with tits and violence make a tv show based on the Barsoom books or something. And if we are to have "eye candy" at least have it be a well written, well acted character like Seven of Nine was. She was so good it was actually easy to overlook the obvious "let's try to boos ratings by introducing a sex bomb" play.

I just hope it's a poorly chosen PR talk, and the actual series won't be like that.
Personally I wouldn't have an issue with some sexiness in the new series...I mean TOS was great not least because Kirk f**ked around so much, that just showed what a cool guy he was. And watching TNG today it's obvious the show would have been better if they had some attractive women in the cast.
But they really need some decent, fun stories like in the original series. Enterprise was so terribly boring, there was no sense of excitement or wonder.
And they shouldn't make it too pc. There were some episodes in Enterprise that annoyed me because they were overly pc. Now Trek has always been liberal, but Kirk was a classic American hero, not some SJW.
Also it would be nice if it were at least somewhat scientifically accurate. TNG and Enterprise both had some really crappy episodes which got evolution totally wrong.
And hopefully they won't focus too much on Klingons. I've always hated those suckers, their culture with its moronic warrior ethos is just stupid.
Post edited December 01, 2016 by morolf
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pimpmonkey2382.313: I kind of want to see the Talosians from the cage make a come back, from what I hear star trek nemesis was originally scripted to have that happen, but it got deleted.
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morolf: They're total wimps, and aren't they sterile anyway? Who'd want to see those freaks?
Personally I don't have high hopes for that series...Enterprise was already pretty horrible.
Ah what could change in an alternate timeline. And plus their mental ability would make up for that.
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morolf: They're total wimps, and aren't they sterile anyway? Who'd want to see those freaks?
Personally I don't have high hopes for that series...Enterprise was already pretty horrible.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Ah what could change in an alternate timeline. And plus their mental ability would make up for that.
Yeah, but who wants to watch a show about those diminutive weaklings who destroyed their own civilization?
Bring back the Gorn, I'd say! Or the Tholians.

I also think it would be cool if they had a few episodes about some really demented religious cult. One of the few Enterprise episodes I really liked was the one in which the Enterprise was hijacked by some religious fanatics who wanted to use the ship's firepower in a war of religion. That was a fairly novel idea for Trek.
Post edited December 01, 2016 by morolf
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Ah what could change in an alternate timeline. And plus their mental ability would make up for that.
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morolf: Yeah, but who wants to watch a show about those diminutive weaklings who destroyed their own civilization?
Bring back the Gorn, I'd say! Or the Tholians.

I also think it would be cool if they had a few episodes about some really demented religious cult. One of the few Enterprise episodes I really liked was the one in which the Enterprise was hijacked by some religious fanatics who wanted to use the ship's firepower in a war of religion. That was a fairly novel idea for Trek.
I wouldn't have brought the idea up if I didn't want to see it.
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morolf: Yeah, but who wants to watch a show about those diminutive weaklings who destroyed their own civilization?
Bring back the Gorn, I'd say! Or the Tholians.

I also think it would be cool if they had a few episodes about some really demented religious cult. One of the few Enterprise episodes I really liked was the one in which the Enterprise was hijacked by some religious fanatics who wanted to use the ship's firepower in a war of religion. That was a fairly novel idea for Trek.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: I wouldn't have brought the idea up if I didn't want to see it.
Well yes, but apart from you not many people would probably want to see those stupid Talosians with their deformed, weak bodies. There's a reason why that pilot movie with them in it was shelved (pity actually, I've always thought that female first officer Number one was totally sexy, they should have taken her into TOS), those dudes just aren't cool. Not as cool as Gorn or Romulans anyway.

What I liked about the pilot though was that flashback Pike had about some earlier mission in which a lot of his men were killed and some axe-wielding alien attacked Pike...something like that would be great as an episode! Enterprise was far too sterile and had too much technology for my taste.
Post edited December 01, 2016 by morolf
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Joining the ongoing effort to make Discovery look like a disaster in the making is Brian Fuller, who vacated the seat of the showrunner a while back, now explaining he will not even be an executive producer, unlike what was previously reported.
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morolf: Personally I wouldn't have an issue with some sexiness in the new series...I mean TOS was great not least because Kirk f**ked around so much, that just showed what a cool guy he was. And watching TNG today it's obvious the show would have been better if they had some attractive women in the cast.
I would say it's not that TNG lacked attractive women, but that whenever they had an attractive woman they tried to mute her sex appeal as much as possible. Whose bright idea was it to give all Vulcans Spock's haircut, including the women? Ye gods. And then you'd have those cases like with Voyager and Enterprise where they realized how sterile their shows were and they'd be like, "Hey, everyone! We've got a foxy lady! We're being sexy now!" and it was just such an embarrassing overcompensation.

TOS definitely had some sex appeal to it, though. It was just a looser, more fun show in general while still offering some good science fiction.
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morolf: Personally I wouldn't have an issue with some sexiness in the new series...I mean TOS was great not least because Kirk f**ked around so much, that just showed what a cool guy he was. And watching TNG today it's obvious the show would have been better if they had some attractive women in the cast.
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andysheets1975: I would say it's not that TNG lacked attractive women, but that whenever they had an attractive woman they tried to mute her sex appeal as much as possible. Whose bright idea was it to give all Vulcans Spock's haircut, including the women? Ye gods. And then you'd have those cases like with Voyager and Enterprise where they realized how sterile their shows were and they'd be like, "Hey, everyone! We've got a foxy lady! We're being sexy now!" and it was just such an embarrassing overcompensation.

TOS definitely had some sex appeal to it, though. It was just a looser, more fun show in general while still offering some good science fiction.
I agree, TNG often came across as somewhat cold and sterile. And yes, Seven of Nine and T'Pol in Voyager/Enterprise were too much, definitely overcompensation (but then those shows - especially Enterprise - had plenty of other problems as well).
From today's perspective TOS is of course pretty sexist...some of it is quite cringeworthy. But the show had a certain innocent charm and free-roaming imagination that none of the later shows ever managed to recreate in my opinion.
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morolf: From today's perspective TOS is of course pretty sexist...some of it is quite cringeworthy.
Ha, like those scenes of Kirk macking on his pretty ensigns/secretaries. Nowadays Yeoman Rand would have got him on sexual harassment :)
Star Trek Beyond underperformed but was not a total bomb like "Final Frontier" and 'Nemesis"/
IMHO they will take a hiatus for the films and reboot in a couple of years.
Can't say I am sad,since I was not a big fan o fthe current film series; IMHO they lost a lot of what was unique about Star Trek and made into just another Sci Fi Action film series.I think the accusation they tried to make it too much like Star Wars has some merit. The current films weren't that bad (they never reached the downright awfulness of "Final Frontier " or "Nemesis") but they never had a "Wrath of Khan" or "First Contact" either.

As for the TV series who knows? I just hope they keep whoever was responsible for "Enterprise" a long way away from the new TV series.
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dudalb: As for the TV series who knows? I just hope they keep whoever was responsible for "Enterprise" a long way away from the new TV series.
Yeah, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga should be kept out of this. Manny Coto, though, who took the helm during the show's fourth season? I'd like to have him back, because he knew how to do some good Trek.
Post edited December 03, 2016 by Nergal01
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Nergal01: Yeah, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga should be kept out of this. Manny Coto, though, who took the helm during the show's fourth season? I'd like to have him back, because he knew how to do some good Trek.
I thought 4th season of Enterprise was still pretty bad (suffered from cramming in too many references to the other series, and the penultimate episode with that xenophobic human speciesist was a ridiculous example of excessive pc), only episodes I liked were those set in the mirror universe, they were fun in a cheesy way.
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dudalb: As for the TV series who knows? I just hope they keep whoever was responsible for "Enterprise" a long way away from the new TV series.
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Nergal01: Yeah, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga should be kept out of this. Manny Coto, though, who took the helm during the show's fourth season? I'd like to have him back, because he knew how to do some good Trek.
Well, they have nothing to do with it. However I'm not happy about it at all. I really don't agree with the hate they get at all. They delivered to us many years of great Trek, even if you think later on their efforts wer sub-par. Personally I enjoyed even Enterprise in it's early years (though I'm not blind to it's problems).
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Breja: Well, they have nothing to do with it. However I'm not happy about it at all. I really don't agree with the hate they get at all. They delivered to us many years of great Trek, even if you think later on their efforts wer sub-par. Personally I enjoyed even Enterprise in it's early years (though I'm not blind to it's problems).
That's a matter of personal opinion, of course. I will agree that Berman taking over from Roddenberry saved TNG and kept the franchise going. We wouldn't have had DS9 without him. Then again, I neither liked VOY nor the early years of ENT all that much.

I recommend taking a look at "Chaos on the Bridge", a documentary about the early years of TNG by Bill Shatner. If even half of the things said there are true, it's a miracle the show even survived its first year, or that the show even got off the ground.
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morolf: I thought 4th season of Enterprise was still pretty bad (suffered from cramming in too many references to the other series, and the penultimate episode with that xenophobic human speciesist was a ridiculous example of excessive pc), only episodes I liked were those set in the mirror universe, they were fun in a cheesy way.
Fair enough. Season 4 certainly had its fair share of flaws, but also some pretty good episodes (the Vulcan trilogy, or the episodes about the Romulan efforts to destablilize the entire region of space). Me, I liked the fact that ENT had finally moved away from the Temporal Cold War and toward the founding of the Federation. That's just my opinion, of course, but at that point it finally started feeling like Trek to me. And "Terra Prime" was a pretty decent series finale, IMO. Certainly better than "These are the Voyages". Another thing I blame Berman and Braga for.
Post edited December 03, 2016 by Nergal01