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Klumpen0815: There's a Linux port and I have to boot my old WinXP partition atm just for this game? Argh!
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Maighstir: Yeah. I mean, I have a Steam account. I do use Steam for a few other games, both "natively" (of course some Linux releases are "ported" using Wine-based products) and under Wine. But I have this game (and hundreds others, but that's irrelevant) on GOG, because I prefer that platform to Steam.
Linux users which don't use Steam (like me) still get the short end of the stick. -.-
By the way, here's a survey on this topic including the (dis)satisfaction of Linux gamers on Steam/HB/GoG:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/survey_results_the_different_kinds_of_linux_gamers_and_comparison_of_steamhbgog
Post edited March 27, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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zeroxxx: If it was profitable and/or highly wanted for them to begin with, they would have released it here without hesitation.
That is a false argument. If this were true, then GOG would never had gotten off the ground, with either old or modern games. While it does not have the same market share as Steam, is has grown to the point that not releasing here hurts your sales.

However, the main issue we are dealing with here is their very strong pro-DRM stance. It took them a long time to release E1 DRM-free on their website, let alone on GOG. Now that E2&3 are coming out on Steam only, they are trying to whitewash the whole affair by saying that the KS campaign was solely for E1 and that the conditions that applied there are completely separate from future releases.

The problem with this argument is that they never indicated this during the campaign itself and made it appear as if all three episodes of The Banner Sage would be available also in DRM-free form. This led a lot of people, myself included, to increase our pledges in order to receive the whole game, hoping to support a fledgling company with a good game idea.

Consequently, this has become both a fight against DRM in gaming, and against shady practices by companies and unfulfilled promises on Kickstarter.
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Maighstir: Yeah. I mean, I have a Steam account. I do use Steam for a few other games, both "natively" (of course some Linux releases are "ported" using Wine-based products) and under Wine. But I have this game (and hundreds others, but that's irrelevant) on GOG, because I prefer that platform to Steam.
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Klumpen0815: Linux users which don't use Steam (like me) still get the short end of the stick. -.-
By the way, here's a survey on this topic including the (dis)satisfaction of Linux gamers on Steam/HB/GoG:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/survey_results_the_different_kinds_of_linux_gamers_and_comparison_of_steamhbgog
Yeah, as do Linux users who prefer not to use Steam and bought the game on another distribution platform. Which was my point.
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de_Monteynard: That is a false argument. If this were true, then GOG would never had gotten off the ground, with either old or modern games. While it does not have the same market share as Steam, is has grown to the point that not releasing here hurts your sales.

However, the main issue we are dealing with here is their very strong pro-DRM stance. It took them a long time to release E1 DRM-free on their website, let alone on GOG. Now that E2&3 are coming out on Steam only, they are trying to whitewash the whole affair by saying that the KS campaign was solely for E1 and that the conditions that applied there are completely separate from future releases.

The problem with this argument is that they never indicated this during the campaign itself and made it appear as if all three episodes of The Banner Sage would be available also in DRM-free form. This led a lot of people, myself included, to increase our pledges in order to receive the whole game, hoping to support a fledgling company with a good game idea.

Consequently, this has become both a fight against DRM in gaming, and against shady practices by companies and unfulfilled promises on Kickstarter.
Unfortunately, from what I gathered, it's true many times for unknown indie games. You need to take into account the costs associated by releasing more than one version (Steam vs GOG vs DRM free on Humble for example).

There are indies that see the light at the end of the tunnel. Defender's Quest, Stardew Valley just to name some games.

But for this Banner Saga title? Even Trine 3? While I personally haven't seen the statistic, I doubt the numbers would be that great.
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Maighstir: Yeah, as do Linux users who prefer not to use Steam and bought the game on another distribution platform. Which was my point.
Steam is pushing Linux forward.

If anything, I'd take their stance more seriously than other gaming companies.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by zeroxxx
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Maighstir: Yeah, as do Linux users who prefer not to use Steam and bought the game on another distribution platform. Which was my point.
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zeroxxx: Steam is pushing Linux forward.

If anything, I'd take their stance more seriously than other gaming companies.
Indeed they are, and I'm not disputing that. And to be fair, I knowingly bought the game on GOG, just by the hope that all distribution platforms would get versions for all OSes they support, so my money most assuredly went to Windows statistics, leading to me not having much of a leg to stand on in this case.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by Maighstir
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Klumpen0815: Linux users which don't use Steam (like me) still get the short end of the stick. -.-
By the way, here's a survey on this topic including the (dis)satisfaction of Linux gamers on Steam/HB/GoG:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/survey_results_the_different_kinds_of_linux_gamers_and_comparison_of_steamhbgog
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Maighstir: Yeah, as do Linux users who prefer not to use Steam and bought the game on another distribution platform. Which was my point.
I got it as a gift and am thankful for that. It's a great game (in spite of the flaws) but I wouldn't have bought it due to the lack of a Linux port tbh.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Maighstir: Yeah, as do Linux users who prefer not to use Steam and bought the game on another distribution platform. Which was my point.
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Klumpen0815: I got it as a gift and am thankful for that. It's a great game (in spite of the flaws) but I wouldn't have bought it due to the lack of a Linux port tbh.
While I heard "a Linux port will be released" and though "great! I'll buy it so I get the Linux port when it comes". That was rather stupid of me, but I have no one to blame but myself.
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Klumpen0815: I got it as a gift and am thankful for that. It's a great game (in spite of the flaws) but I wouldn't have bought it due to the lack of a Linux port tbh.
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Maighstir: While I heard "a Linux port will be released" and though "great! I'll buy it so I get the Linux port when it comes". That was rather stupid of me, but I have no one to blame but myself.
Larry Reloaded still didn't get the Linux port here although it's a Unity game and others share a similar fate.
My hope for later arrivals has vanished by now, I like to be pleasantly surprised though.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by Klumpen0815
Perhaps GOG should get, as part of the contract to sell games here, a binding commitment from the devs/publishers that any game with future sequels will also be sold here. Likely not something they could actually pull off, but it would be nice.

Guess I'll toss Stoic an e-mail, not that they'll give a shit that I'm not buying the rest of the trilogy unless it appears here.
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GR00T: Guess I'll toss Stoic an e-mail, not that they'll give a shit that I'm not buying the rest of the trilogy unless it appears here.
Here's the thing, they REALLY want to keep this off the radar, to the point that they have been pushing hard to get us to talk to them via KS's PM, rather than via comments on the backer-only update.

So yeah, every little bit helps in increasing Stoic's awareness of this issue and the importance of DRM-free games in the indie community.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by de_Monteynard
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GR00T: Guess I'll toss Stoic an e-mail, not that they'll give a shit that I'm not buying the rest of the trilogy unless it appears here.
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de_Monteynard: Here's the thing, they REALLY want to keep this off the radar, to the point that they have been pushing hard to get us to talk to them via KS's PM, rather than via comments on the backer-only update.

So yeah, every little bit helps in increasing Stoic's awareness of this issue and the importance of DRM-free games in the indie community.
I still haven't found a way to contact them or give any response to this, but I think they are making this difficult on purpose and I haven't done a lot of research. To me it looks like they don't want to acknowledge, that there is an issue at all.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: I still haven't found a way to contact them or give any response to this, but I think they are making this difficult on purpose and I haven't done a lot of research. To me it looks like they don't want to acknowledge, that there is an issue at all.
There's Facebook and Twitter, if you have accounts for those. Their website doesn't seem to have any generic e-mail addy though, only business, support, and press (links on the Stoic Team tab). I guess I'll have to send to Support because I didn't Kickstart the game and can't contact through that venue.
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Klumpen0815: I still haven't found a way to contact them or give any response to this, but I think they are making this difficult on purpose and I haven't done a lot of research. To me it looks like they don't want to acknowledge, that there is an issue at all.
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GR00T: There's Facebook and Twitter, if you have accounts for those.
Nope and never will.
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Klumpen0815: To me it looks like they don't want to acknowledge, that there is an issue at all.
I cannot help you on the contact front, but you should check Stoic's responses I previously posted. They make it quite clear that they do not intend to acknowledge this as a serious issue and wish to avoid even a semi-public discussion on this.
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ShadowWulfe: Well, at least you can start without finishing.
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blotunga: I'm very good at that :D
It might be years that videogames are made without endings ( just a response-less black screen 'at some point' ) ..... I honestly wouldn't know.

Banner Saga ...... it's the kind of game I am not sure I ever reached the conclusion whether buying it or not.