Screw this I am just going to do something for the people, or for the gog.com video gamer people.

I am going to start purchasing these AAA video games that are not sold on gog.com on Steam and play them for about ten or so hours then write a negative review about them having all of these Digital Rights Management (DRM) copy right protections software and to also be sold on gog.com 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free.

I will purchase all of these AAA video games from Steam only on sales though when they are $5 dollars (USD) or $10 dollars (USD).

I am sick and tired of waiting for a 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free future, that I will speak out the loudest now for us gog.com video gamers.

I stopped purchasing video games from Steam in 2012, but as of last year I started doing this to a small extent.

I cannot just sit here and complain for the rest of my life hoping something will change.

I have to purchase the video games and write negative reviews. Otherwise nobody will listen, I mean they may not even listen when they read my negative reviews.

Imagine someone seeing some persons Steam profile and seeing hundreds and hundreds of negative reviews for video games.

Imagine CapCom seeing negative reviews for all of their Devil May Cry video games, for all of their Street Fighter video games, for all of their Resident Evil video games, for all of their video games.

All AAA video game publishing companies seeing negative reviews for all of their video games on Steam. CapCom, Electronic Arts, MicroSoft, SEGA, SONY, SQUARE-ENIX, 2k, Take-Two, Rockstar, Ubisoft, etc.

I will be upset spending money on purchasing the video games from Steam just to do this, but I have to fight I cannot just fight with petitions and complaints.

I will do this so you gog.com video gamers do not have purchase the video games from Steam, so that they can get released eventually for sale on gog.com.

FOR A 100% DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (DRM) FUTURE UNTIL I CANNOT FIGHT THIS NO MORE!

It's a DRM system that has been made to intentionally target legit Steam users. Previously, Steam users could just pay for the base game (or merely download it if it's free-to-play) and just use some tools to activate the DLC without paying for it.
And Denuvo could not protect from this, until now.

denuvo is shit , slowing down games , should be outlawed

Keywords here being "for me". Just because you consider something a "DRM" doesn't mean it actually is. S**** is no different from GOG Galaxy. Both are clients that authenticate your purchases and deliver your paid content to you.

The GOG website works in the same way. You need to have a supported browser installed to make autheticated purchases and then the content can be delivered to you. You don't get those inefficient GOG offline installers without going through the same exact process. If I download my S**** games and create my own offline installer that functions better than GOG's that I can freely backup then where's the difference?

Even GOG's own stance on what "DRM free" means changes over time. CD Projekt has "DRM'd" their own games before, and GOG has "DRM'd" products on it's store.

I mean, do you really think anyone on S****, be it developers, publishers or just other S**** users actually care what you're doing here? No one is going to give GOG additional looks because of your negative review "crusade" either. If anything, you might just make the average S**** user despise GOG and it's community.

GOG doesn't get looks really anymore, because their market share is so low. Leaving negative Steam reviews for games you bought and by mentioning GOG isn't going to change that.

Think about it, you literally have major developers in Poland that are skipping their own countries "major" PC store and going for Denuvo'd releases on American based stores. Their own countrymen skipping GOG for S****. If that doesn't tell you GOG's market share is horrible, and that Polish developers even believe DRM-free is negatively affecting their sales then nothing will.

The best thing you said was "I cannot just sit here and complain for the rest of my life hoping something will change."

Exactly. Life is too short to be worried about digital game purchases. I'd hope that every single person here considers their leisure time to be far too value to worry about tinfoil hat poop. If you see a game you like on any store then just buy and enjoy it. Why worry about "what if" scenarios?

I always think how sad it is when I see a Bethesda publisher sale here and people are still begging for a Skyrim port to GOG... Like, dude, you could have been playing it on S**** for over 10 years now and counting.

Trust me, Capcom, Square Enix and whoever else don't care if you leave a negative review complaining about DRM on their games. You really don't think they hear that already? and plus, you'd have already bought it, so...

I mean, Capcom, Square Enix and many others already do a good job of removing Denuvo from their games anyways. In their eyes they're protecting company investments early on and satisfying shareholders and investors (which they have a legal obligation to do), and they're also removing it afterward because that's what the fans would want. So they're already doing an acceptable job in most peoples eyes.

Look, I like GOG and all, but I just don't care about all this anymore. I used to contact publishers and developers requesting more GOG releases. I used to prioritize spending money on GOG over S**** even if I wanted games on the latter more. I'm done with all that, and have been for some time now. I just want to play the games that I'm interested in, and unfortunately those hardly ever show up on GOG anymore.

Another thing, is that in over seventeen (17) years on S**** I've never once lost access to a I game I've purchased on the platform. I've purchased numerous Denuvo games over the years and I've never once lost access to a Denuvo'd title. More often than not, the anti-tamper is removed from the game after 6 months to a year.

Just enjoy the games you want to play, and don't worry about "what if" situations you have no control over. If you want to boycott or not support anything that isn't completely DRM free, then that's your choice, but you'll be missing out on a lot of games, and that list is only going to get bigger and bigger in the future. I mean, you might see a day coming up fairly soon that GOG is closing it's doors. What are you going to do then? Live on your backlog from GOG, which was already had a weak catalogue to begin with? I value my leisure time way too much to do that.

Ditto. I'd usually get my 360 and other games that are 'game of the year edition' which means it just includes all the content (or nearly all the content). I don't enjoy paying for a dozen things, which may include 'a school swimsuit' and other things that are literally 10 lines of code as a cheat for the difficulty they implanted.

It continues to blow me away that there are not only people who are apathetic toward DRM, but there are legit DRM simps that will lick Denuvo's boots even with BS like this. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

No.

I will never give up.

I will never surrender.

I will fight until the day I die.

I will continue to push 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free and gog.com and anything else that promotes 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free.

When I am dead then nothing will matter nobody will care.

Well said. Presenting the unlikely odds of fighting DRM as an excuse to give up is just ridiculous. Yes, I still buy games off of Steam, EGS and other platforms. However, I do my best to buy from DRM-free distributors, to promote the FSF and to continue to speak my mind on DRM to anyone who will listen. It doesn't matter to me whether we will win or not, it only matters that I lived for something that I believe in. This is true for other things in my life as well.

And honestly, I don't take the word of the doomsday preachers too seriously anyway. Blackpilled individuals infuriate me in general, no matter whether it's regarding gaming, politics, society, whatever. There's never a reason to truly give up all hope.

I mean, you do what you think you have to do. Again, my leisure time is just far too valuable for me to be bothered with things like that.

What's ridiculous is talking about fighting to the death for something as irrelevant in life as DRM-free video games...

I also buy from GOG as often as I can and would prefer to buy games here all the time, but the problem is that the new games coming here that I'm actually interested in are practically non-existent.

There's no doomsday preaching here either. Anyone that can look at GOG's situation objectively can see where this is going. Financial reports don't lie. The downsizing doesn't lie. The lack of quality releases in the past one to two years doesn't lie.

Doomsday preaching would be like saying S**** is going to die in the next 5 years. Saying GOG is going to die in the next 5 years is something that has a good chance of happening, because there's actual facts supporting that possibility. 5 years from now GOG could technically still be up and running, and providing you access to your games, but if the software support is even more non-existent than it is now, then is it really alive?

And when I say "good chance" I don't mean it's 50-50 or anything necessarily, or it's for sure going to happen, but we're definitely in the double digit percentages here. It really shouldn't shock anyone if GOG did close up shop in the next 5 years or at the very least was in maintenance mode with little to no releases on the platform anymore.

The latter is something I think could have a very high chance of happening, because I believe GOG is legally obligated to "keep the lights on" for some unknown amount of time to provide people access to thier software purchases. I can totally see that scenario happening where there's just basically no software being released here anymore. A genuine maintenance mode.

Some things are never to be understanded. It's just as especially the new generation of gamers just accepts everything. They don't know the time when games were full games and not like a basegame which has to be completed with tons of dlc's, just as you would buy a puzzle without the puzzlepieces. When you just inserted the cd/dvd, hit install and then you could play, without being capped on how many pc's you can install it and also how many times. And you also didn't had episodic stuff or day one dlc's.
But, see here, we are now at that point. It's not a good sign.

Yes, you're right, in parts, I think. But that's why I also said up there that:

DRM in itself is not bad. The way by witch it is implemented is good or bad.
Block content behind an Online Only Layer of protection: Bad DRM.
Authenticate the purchase of the user 1 time, then let it download it and keep forever the way he wants: Good DRM.

'DRMs' are just Digital Rights Management. Without rules on how companies should manage digital products, we wouldn't be able to buy digital products from e-stores in the first place.

I agree with you that GOG Offline installers support is not perfect, and many things GOG is doing with Galaxy and so on aren't either. But unfortunately, it's one of few that still offers Offline game installers - and probably still the biggest because of it's story of 'fighting drm'. (No need to talk about how GOG did many things wrong in the past few years in this topic. As it is offtopic.)

But, in my humble opinion, the way you talk about browsers and how we use it 'is the same way as steam overlay' is a bit of an exaggeration on the term. To require every user to authenticate purchases through command line is absurd. :P

Like you said: key word there is 'for me'. Browsers are the last acceptable layer of 'good drm' I'm personally okay to bear.

It used to be we were taught how to program computers in school. True you were given code to copy/paste, but all in BASIC you got a understanding of the system and underlying, and you had to actually work with it.

Today everything they push is locked down. Mac, locked down. Android phones/tablets, locked down. Windows, locked down. It's easy to assume this is the way it's suppose to be when you aren't shown anything else.

There's a reason i have not touched anything past 360/ps3, because the push of DRM and 'sell now patch later' mentality is terrible. It may not be long now before i just ignore gaming and only make linux systems to do programming and nothing else. There's only a handful of games since 2010 that i actually am half interested in.

If DRM might not be bad (as a concept), but all implementations of it is bad (like Communism/socialism), then i'd say it's bad. About the same as P2W mobile games and micro-transactions, they are also bad.


DRM is a shield along with copyright to prevent you from owning your own equipment. Tractors with John Deer, cars, phones, they don't want you to be able to do what you want with your own equipment. at which point, who owns it?

If you pay for it but don't own it, then it's bad.

Actually:
* I am pretty sure that some schools still teach programming. Scratch is taught to young children, and AP Computer Science still exists for high schoolers (in the US; other countries probably have similar programs).
* Macintoshes are not locked down. In fact, for the M1 Macs, there's even a method, documented by Apple, to boot into a different OS. (Said OSes might not be mature at this point, but a Linux port exists, albeit without GPU acceleration.) Furthermore, there's nothing preventing you from running virtual machines, or installing Python, or even install Xcode for free from the Mac App Store.
* Similarly, modern Windows is not locked down; there's a free "Community Edition" of Visual Studio that you can download. Furthermore, there's WSL, which allows you to install a Linux distribution and have it run alongside Windows (in WSL2, it runs in a VM, while WSL1 is more like WINE in reverse).
* Don't forget that web browsers can execute JavaScript code, and you can create your own HTML file with JavaScript and open it in a desktop web browser.
* And, of course, desktop Linux is not locked down at all by default (other than usual permissions to prevent a normal user from hosing the OS). The same can be said of the Raspberry Pi (if you can get one, of course).

So really, considering only mainstream devices, it's only mobile devices (phones and some tablets) and game consoles that are locked down, not desktop/laptop computers.

By the way, if you want to learn how to program, in these modern times I recommend Python as your first programming language.

Scratch? Never heard of it.

Though glancing at this, it looks more flash-like and isn't something you could really get into the internals of the system and dig deep into any of it.

Not exactly seeing the OS as open source where you can change the system to how you want or get into the internals. And windows more recently loves more to force updates on you, and require all code (OS level anyways) to be signed.

True it's not bolted down as hard as iphone and android is, but neither do they make it easy.

Again, hardly something to get into the core system or make any real changes.

I wasn't including Linux in the list on purpose. (Although android is based on linux it's so stripped down to be laughable)

And they shouldn't be in my mind. Why can't i get some PS3's and hook them up with custom software to run cryptomining? Other than arbitrary DRM reasons it should be totally doable. I'd like to put a custom OS on my phone with features i want, and modify how it handles resources to my specifications, and not have Google services running in the background wasting time and trying to ping google every minute of the day. That would save on my battery life a lot.

I got a book somewhere, i'll give it a read. Most languages after you learn your first 1-2, is syntax differences and library differences. Nearly everything else transfers over.