nightcraw1er.488: The only way to “remove drm”, or for a more complete term, give user control over the product, for an online only game like an mmo would be to release the server and client without drm or online need. That has absolutely nothing to do with steam.
I agree. My point is that when someone plays an MMO or the like the kind of mentality is different from a singleplayer DRM'd game. It would be something like: "I'm playing this game and I know it's supposed to only work online, connected to a server, and if something happens, I'm aware that I will lose everything I put into it. Except, maybe, memories with friends." :P
nightcraw1er.488: Nor in fact is it a “behemoth of drm software”. A lot of titles have no drm, quite a few more have simple steam ceg drm. The point is it’s nothing to do with steam if publishers or developers laden their product with things like denuvo.
I disagree here partially. But then we would start to debate what is DRM in the first place I think.
Steam in itself is already a layer of DRM for me. So, even if you can download and play your game completely offline, or with various kinds of workahounds to play it outside of Steam, you still need a launcher to be installed and authenticate your download.You can't install it without internet, like with GOG offline installers.
That expression 'behemoth of drm software' refers to how Steam is, it seems to me, trying to monopolize the online software market. Not only with games but also with other kinds of softwares like video editors, image editors, game engines and so on. This is kinda scary to me if it keeps following this path.
Imagine a world where you can only download and install your video editors, image editors and so on through Steam-like launchers to authenticate your purchase. This is a nightmare for software preservation in my humble opinion.
nightcraw1er.488: A question for you, do you use only the offline installers? What about galaxy? It’s just the whole thread seems to be about “isn’t denuvo bad”, but that is really just the tip of the iceberg, drm gets cracked all the time and generally only bothers paying customers. Online only, client driven, streamed, online gated etc. are far worse than drm.
With GOG games I use only offline installers and lgogdownloader (which is really handy for fast downloads).
And I agree with you, this drm situation is just the tip. User/Consumer freedom and true ownership of everything they buy is at serious risk.