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phaolo: Yeah, I wouldn't have even noticed that, it's a bit hidden.
I'm more a SP guy, but I'm also not a fan of missing features, expecially important ones like MP.
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omega64: It's not an important one with this game, at all. It was just forced in to have multiplayer.
Do you mean that the MP is terrible and non-functional and so the game is better without it? O_o
Post edited June 14, 2018 by phaolo
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omega64: It's not an important one with this game, at all. It was just forced in to have multiplayer.
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phaolo: Do you mean that the MP is terrible and non-functional and so the game is better without it? O_o
No effort to balance it and nobody played it because it was just bad.
1v1, one playing as aliens one as soldiers. (if remembering right, been a while)
Post edited June 14, 2018 by omega64
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phaolo: Do you mean that the MP is terrible and non-functional and so the game is better without it? O_o
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omega64: No effort to balance it and nobody played it because it was just bad.
1v1, one playing as aliens one as soldiers. (if remembering right, been a while)
Oh well, ok then lol.
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tweeted image & form about bringing steamworld heist up to date and they said "We'll forward this to our developers! Thanks :D"


asked semisoft about legrand legacy on the steam discussion page and if they plan on bringing the gog version up to parity with the steam version and they said "Yes, thank you for letting us know, we will definitely be updating GOG version as well. "
Post edited June 15, 2018 by fortune_p_dawg
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phaolo: Do you mean that the MP is terrible and non-functional and so the game is better without it? O_o
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omega64: No effort to balance it and nobody played it because it was just bad.
1v1, one playing as aliens one as soldiers. (if remembering right, been a while)
The latest version of multiplayer allowed you to mix and match aliens, exalt and xcom. Still unbalanced as hell though. For some bizarre reason the game would auto-pick marches where one side would steamroll the other. One side has all human weapons with the occasional laser while the other has plasma and ethereals. It wasn't fun by any means. Don't even know if that issue still exists - nobody plays multiplayer to check.
Broforce lacks a major update released a month ago:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/broforce_lacks_a_major_update
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fortune_p_dawg: tweeted image & form about bringing steamworld heist up to date and they said "We'll forward this to our developers! Thanks :D"
That's crazy. I've written several email at the beginning of the year. It's impossible that they do not know. I was promised that the new patch just needed a little bit of testing in January and was told that they are only a small studio in February.
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adamhm: AFAIK it's actually just cross-platform between Windows/Mac/Linux. The Linux and Mac versions aren't available here either though
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fronzelneekburm: Ahhh, thanks for the info! I had no idea that this would even constitute cross-platform, since all of them are essentially the same platform: Steam.

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Desmight: The game is also missing several languages, and the alternative version which is available on Steam.

Btw, I fully support the rest of your post, you're doing an incredible job, and I agree that ultimately getting updates is what really matters, not just punishing "lazy" developers.
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fronzelneekburm: Thanks! I really try to make this list as fair as possible to all the involved parties (the users, the devs, gog), so I'm always happy when this is appreciated.

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Cavalary: The games and publishers or developers that habitually take a long time to add patches/content here could be listed in the OP, or in a post linked to in the OP? So not showing up on the gamecard in that mix, but still somewhere easily reachable.
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fronzelneekburm: Yes, I'm definitely considering this. I've been meaning to make some changes to the (barebones) OP for some time now. But it'll also mean combing through some 1200 posts, which has scared me away from actually following through with this plan. ;)

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timppu: We get back to the discussion whether also GOG games missing e.g. achievements should be included to the list...

I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere. To me the most important thing about this list is to find out those "hidden" things, like missing updates or DLCs, which are not easy to figure out by yourself.

Things that should be easy for anyone to check from the gamecard, like whether there is the Achievements icon, or whether the game offers multiplayer support (or the gamecard even specifically mentions the GOG version is lacking it, like in this case), or the gamecard doesn't mention Linux/Mac/German/Hindi-versions of the game being offered... less so.
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fronzelneekburm: Again, I agree with what you're saying. And yes, the missing languages isn't really something I'm too eager to feature on the list. The only reason I'm putting them there is the vague hope that somewhere, somebody reads this and realises "Oh, might want to inquire with the devs about getting that missing language version here!" and the whole issue is resolved within the day. That's the reason I started putting missing language versions here. Mac and Linux builds I can see how that might be a little more complicated. But missing languages...?

Regarding XCOM: I understand that people are hyped about the game being released here. I'm not happy about putting the game on the mix either, but the missing multiplayer makes it an inferior version. That's just objective fact. Besides, we've had precedent with Brütal Legend, which has been on the list since its inception back in 2014 and no one complained. Brütal Legend also comes a warning on the game page about the missing multiplayer.

I'm always open to suggestions, so if someone here can make a convincing case for how missing multiplayer doesn't constitute selling an inferior build, they are welcome to do so.
@topic on which games to include in the list.

Whenever I buy a game from gog, I look for it on your gog mix. Then I will choose on the following options:

1. If the game is not on your list, I'll buy the game
2. If the game is on the list, I'll check what features are missing.
a.) If the feature is unimportant to ME, I'll buy the game
b.) If the feature is important to ME, I'll not buy the game here.

Since the decision whether or not a feature is important is in many cases highly subjective, I would love to have a complete list of all games that lack any type of feature included in other versions of the game. For example, I personally don't care that Cossacks is missing russian language support. In contrast, a person who plays the game for nostalgia reasons might be really disappointed, if he can't select the language setting he originally played the game with. Same goes for achievements, which matter to some people and not to me.

Furthermore, it could be confusing to people, if your gog mix only covers selected features like missing patches, multiplayer, language support, bonus games etc. Then you would have to explicitly state which features are excluded from your list, because I always thought that your gog mix highlights all differences between the gog version and other versions of the game.

Lastly, I think it is more convenient to have all information about missing features in one place, even if some information can be easily gathered from the game card, for example. This way, I don't have to look through all the different information sources (game card, subforums, release thread etc.) to make an informed decision.
Since a games shouldn't have more than ~5 missing feautures, the entries of the individual games on the list should be sufficiently compact and overseeable.

So all in all, I am in favor of a complete list instead of some "curated" list that excludes certain features.
No matter on how you decide, I think your gog mix is extremely helpful and it kept me from making purchases I would have regretted later on :-)
I think every single game on this list should be added to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

...and that list isn't even complete. Every other game that also has Achievements on Steam but not GOG, yet isn't on that list, should be added as well to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

Star Wars: Empire at War should also be on the list because on Steam it has new patches that refresh the multiplayer experience for this generation, but the GOG version simply doesn't have and will never get those patches.

Grim Dawn should also be on the list because the GOG version is vastly inferior since the devs refuse to implement Crossplay. Therefore, the Steam version has functional multiplayer yet the GOG version does not in actual practice, since "Galaxy only" multiplayer is a ghost town with almost no people in it. This also leaves GOG players extremely gimped in terms of their ability to trade items with other players, which is a key function of games in this genre; yet Steam players don't suffer from that problem either.
Post edited June 16, 2018 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I think every single game on this list should be added to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

...and that list isn't even complete. Every other game that also has Achievements on Steam but not GOG, yet isn't on that list, should be added as well to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

Star Wars: Empire at War should also be on the list because on Steam it has new patches that refresh the multiplayer experience for this generation, but the GOG version simply doesn't have and will never get those patches.

Grim Dawn should also be on the list because the GOG version is vastly inferior since the devs refuse to implement Crossplay. Therefore, the Steam version has functional multiplayer yet the GOG version does not in actual practice, since "Galaxy only" multiplayer is a ghost town with almost no people in it. This also leaves GOG players extremely gimped in terms of their ability to trade items with other players, which is a key function of games in this genre; yet Steam players don't suffer from that problem either.
I could shed some light on Titan Quest Anniversary Edition - Thom from THQ Nordic told me 2 years ago that achievements for the GOG version were not planned at all. In his own words "Titan Quest Anniversary is more seen as a brand new polished version of a back catalogue game."

With the way GOG nowdays made easier for devs to update their games with a single click, i think it's possible for almost any game but only if we would push them hard enough. :p
Post edited June 16, 2018 by PainOfSalvation
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I think every single game on this list should be added to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

...and that list isn't even complete. Every other game that also has Achievements on Steam but not GOG, yet isn't on that list, should be added as well to the list of "Games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens:"

Star Wars: Empire at War should also be on the list because on Steam it has new patches that refresh the multiplayer experience for this generation, but the GOG version simply doesn't have and will never get those patches.

Grim Dawn should also be on the list because the GOG version is vastly inferior since the devs refuse to implement Crossplay. Therefore, the Steam version has functional multiplayer yet the GOG version does not in actual practice, since "Galaxy only" multiplayer is a ghost town with almost no people in it. This also leaves GOG players extremely gimped in terms of their ability to trade items with other players, which is a key function of games in this genre; yet Steam players don't suffer from that problem either.
I thought a lot about it and I also think that the games that have the achievements on Steam and not on GOG are a case of games that treat GOG customers as second class citizens. Not surprisingly, very often games that do not have the achievements conceal other problems with updates, and are a tangible sign of the laziness of developers.

But since the list is long, add them to the GOGmix of fronzelneekburm I think it would only lead to confusion. But fronzel could add a link to the GOGmix of vulchor if both agree, because I think they complement each other.

About the achievements, I've personally written to many developers and distributors, and although some have never responded, others have done so and, if they haven't lied, in the coming times we might have some nice surprises. So I invite anyone interested to personally write to the developers, via email or social, to make them understand that it's a feature they are interested in and would like to see implemented.

An thanks again to fronzelneekburm and vulchor for their valuable work that allows us to make informed purchases.
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fortune_p_dawg: tweeted image & form about bringing steamworld heist up to date and they said "We'll forward this to our developers! Thanks :D"
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mk47at: That's crazy. I've written several email at the beginning of the year. It's impossible that they do not know. I was promised that the new patch just needed a little bit of testing in January and was told that they are only a small studio in February.
dude, most people are shitty email checkers and shittier email repliers. i created a twitter account for communicating with devs and only for communicating with devs. and while only like 50% of them have responded, my tweets are public and front and center and im also super super nice when inquiring about updates.

i dont pull the "i paid for this too lazy jerk!" card. im very much the "greetings good chap! if you would find moment in your indubitably busy schedule, we over at the gog-front, would very much appreciate your sweetest of update ejaculations henceforth upon our waiting storefront. and by the way, do you have any grey poupon?"

oh and alien trap responded to my inquiries about apotheon with this: "Hey if I remember right, the Apotheon 1.3 update is just steam related changes. I'll check again though"
Post edited June 16, 2018 by fortune_p_dawg
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fortune_p_dawg: oh and alien trap responded to my inquiries about apotheon with this: "Hey if I remember right, the Apotheon 1.3 update is just steam related changes. I'll check again though"
Could be true. This is the changelog for 1.3:

- Fixed some start up crashes with Steam - and better logging for when start up crashes happen
- Now automatically switches to the dedicated graphics card over integrated - so if the game was running poorly on your gaming laptop, this could fix that
- Fixed a few problems with connecting to bad servers
The integrated graphics card could be the only thing not Steam specific - I don't have a way to test it though.
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fortune_p_dawg: oh and alien trap responded to my inquiries about apotheon with this: "Hey if I remember right, the Apotheon 1.3 update is just steam related changes. I'll check again though"
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tremere110: Could be true. This is the changelog for 1.3:

- Fixed some start up crashes with Steam - and better logging for when start up crashes happen
- Now automatically switches to the dedicated graphics card over integrated - so if the game was running poorly on your gaming laptop, this could fix that
- Fixed a few problems with connecting to bad servers
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tremere110: The integrated graphics card could be the only thing not Steam specific - I don't have a way to test it though.
That's odd, I could've sworn there were more non-Steam fixes with that patch.