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ListyG: -snip-
A fun additional Even If: Were the SKG Initiative to actually keep momentum and pass the number needed to be discussed, the wheels of bureaucracy are not easily greased, and you can bet your bippies that there are many parties and "vested people" who would see to it that the process is made as painfully slow as possible.

With the whole "I WANT IT NOW" energy the initiative exudes, I can imagine it to be a slow torture watching a group of 100+ uncaring people discuss this while being influenced from all sides, even without being picked apart. 5 years, soonest? Maybe 10? Would anyone still care by then?

For Example: Is it really in the interest of the German Games Industry Association group who openly fund video game projects to have them live forever? I could see an argument where they would eventually want to terminate funding for projects because they've stretched on long enough. (Especially if said project is an embarrassment such as a failed multiplayer game or the Amico.)
Post edited June 27, 2025 by dnovraD
Cool, Ross' video worked, the initiative reached almost 59%!
I still think it's too late for the goal, but it's great to see that so many gamers decided to partecipate anyway :)
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phaolo: Cool, Ross' video worked, the initiative reached almost 59%!
I still think it's too late for the goal, but it's great to see that so many gamers decided to partecipate anyway :)
You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
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phaolo: Cool, Ross' video worked, the initiative reached almost 59%!
I still think it's too late for the goal, but it's great to see that so many gamers decided to partecipate anyway :)
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Bankai9212: You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
I really dislike Charlie and Ordinary gamer. Will never understand how both are so popular.
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Shmacky-McNuts: Its as if people cant fix "stupid" nor mend the greedy from their bad behavior.
Gaming will never be fixed because gamers can't control their buying habits. Reminds me of years ago of people trying to Boycott MW2 on PC only to show that most of the boycotters bought the game anyway. Lol
Post edited June 27, 2025 by Syphon72
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Bankai9212: You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
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Syphon72: I really dislike Charlie and Ordinary gamer. Will never understand how both are so popular.
Plus the drama and stuff Ordinary gamer gets into and often rather then addressing the lies and crude he has said he deletes the video's or when on socials deletes his comments .. Dude also has taken loads of stuff at face value and/or takes some rumor/claim as fact rather then look into it when its serious job or work if not life ruining accusations and rumors slung about a person .. When he gets called out and even better disproven over it he deletes that stuff but never goes'' Oh I screwed up .'' and he can't seem to have a nuanced take on anything that doesn't align with his views on anything.. Not even a ''agree to disagree '' on stuff

He also has defended creeps and monsters when called out about it he does the same as above too

..Can't say much on Charlie as I barely hear about him.. nor ever looked into his stuff as never liked his content
Post edited June 27, 2025 by BanditKeith2
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Syphon72: I really dislike Charlie and Ordinary gamer. Will never understand how both are so popular.
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BanditKeith2: Plus the drama and stuff Ordinary gamer gets into and often rather then addressing the lies and crude he has said he deletes the video's or when on socials deletes his comments .. Dude also has taken loads of stuff at face vavlue and/or takes some rumor/claim as fact rather then look into it when its serious job or work if not life ruining accusations and rumors slung about a person .. When he gets called out and even better disploven over it he deletes that stuff but never goes'' Oh I screwed up .'' and he can't seem to have a nuanced take on anything that doesn't aling with his views on anything.. Not even a ''agree to disagree '' on stuff

He also has defended creeps and monsters when called out about it he does the same as above too
I didn't want to go into much detail as to why I dislike ordinary, but you cover everything. Thank you! YouTube keeps recommending him to me as well.
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phaolo: Cool, Ross' video worked, the initiative reached almost 59%!
I still think it's too late for the goal, but it's great to see that so many gamers decided to partecipate anyway :)
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Bankai9212: You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
And various others, like Asmongold or Gamer Nexus.
Good job Ross
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Geromino: I'm not aware that maintainership is the issue though.

For example Troika Games is long gone but Vampire: Bloodlines still has its unofficial fanpatch, which makes the game work much better than at release.
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dnovraD: It is easily the issue. Imagine if there was a massive paradigm shift from one CPU architecture to another. While emulation might be provided for a time, guess what? Eventually that'll dry up, with changing chipsets and/or cheapening out on support that costs them pennies. (Oh, look at that, Rosetta II to end support, Fedora discussing dropping 32-bit support, et al.)
I'm a programmer and even I dont understand what the heck you are talking about.

Emulation stops working after a time why again ?!?

Does the emulation program in your imagination rust over time or fade into the ether or what ?!?!?!?

And unless we talk about hardware drivers, no program ever cared about stuff like chipsets. Such details are all well hidden behind the operating system interface. Client programs dont bother with it.
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dnovraD: It is easily the issue. Imagine if there was a massive paradigm shift from one CPU architecture to another. While emulation might be provided for a time, guess what? Eventually that'll dry up, with changing chipsets and/or cheapening out on support that costs them pennies. (Oh, look at that, Rosetta II to end support, Fedora discussing dropping 32-bit support, et al.)
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Geromino: I'm a programmer and even I dont understand what the heck you are talking about.

Emulation stops working after a time why again ?!?

Does the emulation program in your imagination rust over time or fade into the ether or what ?!?!?!?

And unless we talk about hardware drivers, no program ever cared about stuff like chipsets. Such details are all well hidden behind the operating system interface. Client programs dont bother with it.
I can only assume the person was referencing to how programs mostly games on pc would for example run too fast on newer hardware without either editing the games files or hitting the ''turbo button'' on a old pc to slow it down .. Among other things like how some programs exspecially games don't play that friendly if even launch's with a cpu that has way more cores or threads then it was made more among other things like that..

Still doesn't make sense to say emulators will stop working though because even if the emulators one was using stopped working a new bunch of them would pop up sooner or later .. most likely sooner then expected
Post edited June 28, 2025 by BanditKeith2
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Shmacky-McNuts: Its as if people cant fix "stupid" nor mend the greedy from their bad behavior.
Good luck with that......

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Bankai9212: You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
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Syphon72: I really dislike Charlie and Ordinary gamer. Will never understand how both are so popular.
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Shmacky-McNuts: Its as if people cant fix "stupid" nor mend the greedy from their bad behavior.
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Syphon72: Gaming will never be fixed because gamers can't control their buying habits. Reminds me of years ago of people trying to Boycott MW2 on PC only to show that most of the boycotters bought the game anyway. Lol
This. Gamers are the biggest suckers on the planet earth They conyinue to buy from companies that have screwed them over time and time again.
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Bankai9212: You mean after starting drama with his vid, which in turn got Charlie, Ordinary gamer to basically cover said drama. Curious how many actually bothered to listen to what Ross is trying to do. I can assume they aren't aware of his half-baked plan.
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phaolo: And various others, like Asmongold or Gamer Nexus.
Good job Ross
So basically, you want the gaming industry to be heavilyregulated by the government? I sure as hell don;t.
Post edited June 28, 2025 by dudalb
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Geromino: I'm a programmer and even I dont understand what the heck you are talking about.

Emulation stops working after a time why again ?!?

Does the emulation program in your imagination rust over time or fade into the ether or what ?!?!?!?

And unless we talk about hardware drivers, no program ever cared about stuff like chipsets. Such details are all well hidden behind the operating system interface. Client programs dont bother with it.
You ever try to run a Win16 program recently?

Now imagine that, except for MacOS, except they removed support for that years ago. And because it's MacOS, you're not allowed to "just emulate it", because you need a proprietary rom to boot from.

Are you following me so far?
600k, it's growing. >> https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

Doesn't hurt to try if you ask me.
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Geromino: I'm a programmer and even I dont understand what the heck you are talking about.

Emulation stops working after a time why again ?!?

Does the emulation program in your imagination rust over time or fade into the ether or what ?!?!?!?

And unless we talk about hardware drivers, no program ever cared about stuff like chipsets. Such details are all well hidden behind the operating system interface. Client programs dont bother with it.
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dnovraD: You ever try to run a Win16 program recently?

Now imagine that, except for MacOS, except they removed support for that years ago. And because it's MacOS, you're not allowed to "just emulate it", because you need a proprietary rom to boot from.

Are you following me so far?
I think the problem is, that you have thrown emulation and stuff doesn't work anymore into one pot.
If certain things are not supported anymore, you could use emulation for making old games run. The prime example here is Dosbox.
And as long as that one is workend on, it will work even if everything is shifting from X86 to ARM.

Yet I still wait for a emulation (beside a Sandbox with a Windows 95 install inside) that would allow to play some of the old stuff that was in need of Win95 but is only 16Bit.


We don't have to talk about Apple.
Whoever decides to turn himself into that golden prison has decided so on his own.
Post edited June 28, 2025 by randomuser.833
I signed the initiative. Fingers crossed it passes.

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ListyG: publishers will start to change the nature of licensing itself. Expect many publishers to respond by releasing racing, RPG, etc, games with chargeable subscriptions
No, not going to happen since people hate subscriptions and can tolerate only so many. Turning every videogame into a subscribtion will kill most of those games. People are already fed up with always online videogames like Concord and similar always online crap. Any publisher who thinks otherwise will be in for a rude awakening. There is a reason why we are here at GOG.
Post edited June 28, 2025 by Screamshield
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Screamshield: I signed the initiative. Fingers crossed it passes.

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ListyG: publishers will start to change the nature of licensing itself. Expect many publishers to respond by releasing racing, RPG, etc, games with chargeable subscriptions
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Screamshield: No, not going to happen since people hate subscriptions and can tolerate only so many. Turning every videogame into a subscribtion will kill most of those games. People are already fed up with always online videogames like Concord and similar always online crap. Any publisher who thinks otherwise will be in for a rude awakening. There is a reason why we are here at GOG.
People didn’t like Concord because it was a very bland, boring, and uninspired game, not because they dislike that type of game. Other games with a similar model that are well-made, such as Marvel Rivals and Fortnite, are doing very well indeed.

And "'we" are here on GOG because they sell old games that work on modern computers.