Posted June 03, 2015
synfresh
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Pheace
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Posted June 03, 2015
synfresh: Interesting take
http://steamed.kotaku.com/steam-refunds-could-cause-some-big-problems-1708523970
It's always when it's Steam isn't it.... I don't remember anyone (well, "press") bringing these issues up when it came to Origin/GOG.http://steamed.kotaku.com/steam-refunds-could-cause-some-big-problems-1708523970
Post edited June 03, 2015 by Pheace
Pardinuz
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From Portugal
Posted June 03, 2015
"Now what?"
No difference. Steam still sucks.
No difference. Steam still sucks.
BadDecissions
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Posted June 03, 2015
I think I'll wait and see whether the two-hour thing actually causes a bunch of people to take advantage of it before I get upset. I remember when GOG introduced their refunds, and there was plenty of "But what if people back up the downloader and then pretend they can't get the game working?" but I don't know that that actually happens a whole lot.
Potzato
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Posted June 03, 2015
Potzato: It's great to see them getting in line with "standard" practice.
Just the :
"You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam" isn't great, and
"If, for any reason, Steam is unable to issue a refund via your initial payment method, your Steam Wallet will be credited the full amount." is very annoying.
zeroxxx: 1. Steam has in-game Store. Just the :
"You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam" isn't great, and
"If, for any reason, Steam is unable to issue a refund via your initial payment method, your Steam Wallet will be credited the full amount." is very annoying.
Steam has 4500+ games and DLCs to ask refund for.
It's more than enough already
2. Steam Wallet and GOG Wallet will be no different. GOG will also prefer you to refund thru your GOG Wallet once it happens. It's about business.
- My second point is about the 'any reason' (I bolded that too).
Point is, it's not a big deal, just annoying as I said.
DeathDiciple
Registered: Dec 2013
From Serbia
Posted June 03, 2015
Cute how they mention 'denying refunds' then put 'customer service' as a link - as if denying people refunds is somehow in the interest of customers.
And then complaints on 'why they dont let reviews of games shorter than 5 minutes'. Seriously, it's healthy that people sell 5min games... yet its unhealthy to have expectations of longer than 5min games. What's unhealthy is that less-than-5 minute shovelware ends up on Steam.
Fuck, I'm defending GabeN? Hell's gonna freeze over one of these days. My fault of clicking on kotaku links.
And then complaints on 'why they dont let reviews of games shorter than 5 minutes'. Seriously, it's healthy that people sell 5min games... yet its unhealthy to have expectations of longer than 5min games. What's unhealthy is that less-than-5 minute shovelware ends up on Steam.
Fuck, I'm defending GabeN? Hell's gonna freeze over one of these days. My fault of clicking on kotaku links.
HereForTheBeer
Positive Patty
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Posted June 03, 2015
DreamedArtist: But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
It's the analogy of turning an aircraft carrier. That is a big company with the majority of the market's attention focused on it, so change doesn't come quick or easy. ----
I don't use Steam at all but am having a tough time seeing this as a bad thing for the customers of any game store. Sure, it somewhat lessens the impact of one of gOg's selling points but if it works out well then maybe (?) it will be a shift toward other consumer-friendly policies throughout the industry.
DCT
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Posted June 03, 2015
DCT: Galaxy rushed? why do people keep saying that? how is a software actively in Beta and marked as such rushed? I can see if they released it in Alpha/Beta state and claimed it was the finished product sure but making the Beta available to the public is not rushing it.
And please don't use the whole "they are passing a Alpha as a Beta" because it is a Beta based on most of the definitions I found for Beta software.
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38567/beta-version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta
http://techterms.com/definition/beta_software
http://pc.net/glossary/definition/beta_software
groze: You're absolutely right and I stand corrected. Still, the fact still stands that Galaxy is not a finished, final product and a lot of people are having trouble using it. That, and the fact GOG seems to be shoving it down our throats, even though it is, in fact, completely optional and in no way mandatory. I mean, when they restructured the library they actively hid away GOG Downloader links and placed a huge button reminding you to "TRY GOG GALAXY". I always prefer to use GOG Downloader instead of downloading directly via my browser, mostly because I don't have to deal with downloading multiple parts of an installer manually, and the way they handled things wasn't the smartest, at least not for people who, like me, used the GOG Downloader to download the installers. It seems as if they're somehow trying to replace the GOG Downloader with GOG Galaxy, even though Galaxy is still in beta form and most of its advertised functions aren't still implemented. I think Galaxy should be the one option "hidden away", and not GOG Downloader. And please don't use the whole "they are passing a Alpha as a Beta" because it is a Beta based on most of the definitions I found for Beta software.
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38567/beta-version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta
http://techterms.com/definition/beta_software
http://pc.net/glossary/definition/beta_software
Despite all of that, my post wasn't exactly about Galaxy, it was just something I thought I should address because others before me had mentioned it.
Again I point out time, rescorces and money. In order to for them to have both Galaxy and the Downloader they need to have someone or a group of someones to mantain and update the software in case there are issues either currently or down the road. GOG is not Valve, EA or Ubisoft they are not a large multi-million to billion dollar company they are fairly small, bigger then they were a few years back but still small and so I don't think they have the manpower to divide up their staff where one maintains Galaxy and the other the Downloader, nor the money to hire a second group to mantian the downloader and even if they did what is the motivation to do so? if your running a company you invest your money into things you feel will at the very least cover the cost of a project but ideally you want to make a profit and the cost it would be to hire additional staff to maintain the downloader even if it only requires lets say one to two people would not be recouped by those too stubborn to let go of the downloader for whatever reason, unless Galaxy in it's final "release" state is a total buggy piece of shit, then okay I can see wanting to stick to the downloader after Galaxy is out of Beta but for now I don't see much logic in it(holding on to it after the fact) if Galaxy works as intended, possible minor issues aside.
So with that in mind of course they are going to start burying the downloader links as they have stated many times the downloader will no longer be updated from this point forward more then likely for the reasons I mentioned above. So why have links that activate a obsolete piece of software that should it "break" that is it out in the open?
Again outside of Galaxy when it is out of beta still having really nasty issues that seem to never get corrected, it's just doesn't make any sense.
HypersomniacLive
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Posted June 03, 2015
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MetalPlateMage: Yeah, the initial response time seems alright for me but the followup is strangely lacking. I mean the _active_ userbase for GOG hasn't increased THAT much*, heck the Humble Store of all things have been closing in for some time now and I can honestly say I'd much rather deal with them than GOG at this point - not something I'd say a year ago.
* Admittedly the activation DRM on physical copies of Witcher 3 driving people here probably will give them a bit more of an edge. *insert witty DRM-related remark here*
The experience varies, actually. For the last ticket I submitted, I had to wait a week to get the initial response, but the follow up was done within the same day. The problem, which affects many more than just me, was not solved though, and may not be solved at all.* Admittedly the activation DRM on physical copies of Witcher 3 driving people here probably will give them a bit more of an edge. *insert witty DRM-related remark here*