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Fenixp: "We do not consider it abuse to request a refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale and then immediately rebuying that title for the sale price."

That's pretty awesome
Actually, that is kind of awesome. That's happened to me a few times and it was kind of irritating.
never mind....
Post edited June 02, 2015 by amok
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groze: Hate/complain about GOG threads are nothing new, and this looks and sounds in every way like one of those. Yes, GOG has made some questionable decisions in the past year and a half, or so, but the main experience is still largely the same. They may have shot themselves in the foot with the whole "ditching fair-pricing" affair, and, then, with removing most extras from their games and starting to have "deluxe edition upgrades" sold separately from the main base titles. Galaxy was rushed to meet up with Witcher 3's release, and that could definitely have been handled better; plus, though it *is* technically DRM-free and entirely optional, there are times in which I feel GOG is trying to make us use it. Personally, I have it installed but aside from trying it out because of the novelty, I still download and launch my GOG games the same way I always did, and everything works just as good as it always has. Galaxy seems more like a way for GOG to approach the Steam-heads that favour convenience and need a client to auto-update, download, launch and play their games. In time, as soon as Galaxy is full-fledged and gets out of beta, we'll see how successful they are at targeting that audience.

Now, Steam making this move is nothing that surprises me. Competition is always a good thing and Steam has been monopolizing the video game digital distribution market for way too much time already. GOG will not shake their hold on it, don't get me wrong, but it's good to see that they are being forced to become more customer-friendly because other stores offer better services and they can't afford losing their customers to a different digital outlet.

I don't know about any of you, but when I joined GOG it wasn't because of the extra goodies or the refund policy (it wasn't even a thing when I registered) or even the fair-price "core value" -- even though, to be completely honest, it was way cheaper for me, in Portugal, to buy games on GOG than on Steam, because of GOG's fair-price thing, back then --; what made me start using GOG was always the fact they advocate DRM-free gaming. And DRM-free is a big issue for me, as I worked for many years in a small publishing house that was 100% DRM-free and, albeit struggling at first, managed to make a difference and an actual dent in the book publishing system in this country. So, DRM is a very important issue to me and a lot of other people, and while GOG might seem to be ditching most of the things that made them "GoG" in the first place, as long as they remain DRM-free and have this great community and above-average tech support, they'll still be the best at what they do.

Speaking of support, I'm truly sorry if you had bad experiences with it, but trust me when I say most of the people who used it were largely pleased with it, myself included. With the changes in the website, the launch of Galaxy and of The Witcher 3, they're probably having a lot more trouble getting through all the support tickets, and that's only natural, since they're not that huge a team and they try and help each person individually, instead of just replying some basic pre-scripted standard response to everyone with the same kind of problem, like other stores tend to do, and even though they are under a lot of work right now, you can expect a response from them within a work week, which is more than we can say about Steam's own support.

Nothing wrong with not liking or not using GOG, or with not liking or not using Steam, uPlay, Origin, Desura, Humble Store or whatever. I think GOG is here to stay, their user base is growing by the day and despite the apparent backlash of the hideous pricing policy changes, the fact still remains that they managed to struck deals with publishers they wouldn't have been able to bring on board otherwise, and that ultimately means more variety -- and quality -- of games for all os us GOG customers. As for Galaxy, time will tell how it works out; as it stands now, it's pretty much an alpha build that has been called 'beta' for the release of CD Projekt Group's The Witcher 3, but if you think back, Steam's own client was broken until very recently (two or three years ago, maybe a bit more).

If you think DRM-free isn't enough to make GOG stand out from the rest, even if it is the "only thing setting them apart", right now, then feel free to move on to other store that suits your needs better. As for me and a whole lot of other people, DRM-free was always the main reason why we chose and stuck with GOG, and as long as they keep being DRM-free I'll keep buying my games through them.

N.B.: Do note that, this time around, it wasn't GOG letting go of a "core value/principle" or letting go of some policy; it was Steam themselves that finally gave in and adopted a consumer-friendly policy, something GOG has been doing for quite some time, now. So, I don't think GOG has to come up with anything to "fight this", they're already in the right track, so much so that they managed to get the behemoth that is Steam to consider and implement this refund policy.
Galaxy rushed? why do people keep saying that? how is a software actively in Beta and marked as such rushed? I can see if they released it in Alpha/Beta state and claimed it was the finished product sure but making the Beta available to the public is not rushing it.

And please don't use the whole "they are passing a Alpha as a Beta" because it is a Beta based on most of the definitions I found for Beta software.
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/38567/beta-version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta
http://techterms.com/definition/beta_software
http://pc.net/glossary/definition/beta_software
I wonder how many people who get game that get banned from cheating on the first day will do a refund XD I can see this working in favor of cheaters, But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
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groze: they managed to get the behemoth that is Steam to consider and implement this refund policy.
Could be. But it should be mentioned that this new policy fairly well mirrors policy that Steam is legally required to obey to sell things in Europe anyway. This could be just a "Look at how nice we are" spin on something that they had to do anyway, and that more and more people know about as time goes by.

It would be nice if GOG were able to pull Steam in a more consumer-friendly direction, but the size difference is like saying "the earth doesn't orbit the sun, it orbits a point between the two bodies." Of course that's right, but...it's a small matter, and easily rounded to zero ^_^

[url= And, technically, the point that it orbits varies since it's really the center of mass of the entire solar system, which of course "wobbles" as the planets dance in their orbits on the crystal spheres. What? You forgot about the phloigston?][/url]
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DreamedArtist: I wonder how many people who get game that get banned from cheating on the first day will do a refund XD I can see this working in favor of cheaters, But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
And how many people will buy a gift , trade it and then ask for a refund ?
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DreamedArtist: I wonder how many people who get game that get banned from cheating on the first day will do a refund XD I can see this working in favor of cheaters, But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
Depends on what kind of Ban, I seem to recall one of the stipulations is if you had received a VAC ban on a game you can not get a refund.
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DreamedArtist: I wonder how many people who get game that get banned from cheating on the first day will do a refund XD I can see this working in favor of cheaters, But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
The T&C explicitly say that if VAC tags you, you become ineligible for the refund
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DCT: Galaxy rushed? why do people keep saying that? how is a software actively in Beta and marked as such rushed? I can see if they released it in Alpha/Beta state and claimed it was the finished product sure but making the Beta available to the public is not rushing it.
It was 'pushed to the public' because of the Witcher 3, not only is it linked on every gamepage in your library now but Witcher 3 came with it and the default install instructions used Galaxy.

Clearly they wanted to coincide the release of the Witcher 3 with the client but realistically, the client isn't up to snuff for that yet. It's offered some bad experiences for people (mainly Witcher 3 buyers no doubt) which could easily have been avoided had they waited to combine their client with sales till it was done.
Post edited June 02, 2015 by Pheace
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MikeMaximus: Well there's some games that can be free of the client, like KSP, WItcher 3, Wasteland 2.

Most games do require the client running when launched though.

They could also start automated of monitoring long offline periods vs. refund applications.
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Grargar: I wouldn't really call those as some games. Granted, it's not an official and 100% accurate list and it's still a small percentage out of the whole Steam catalog (less than 10%?), but they're still more than enough.

Of course they could do something, but only when they realise what kind of potential for abuse exists.
or valve could just do nothing and let the publishers/developers figure out that to avoid this abuse they should tie their games to the steam drm :p
"VAC Bans

If you have been banned by VAC (the Valve Anti-Cheat system) on a game, you lose the right to refund that game.

Refunds on Gifts

We are unable to offer refunds for gifts after they have been redeemed by the recipient."

Cmon, they aren't stupid :P
Post edited June 02, 2015 by DeathDiciple
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immi101: or valve could just do nothing and let the publishers/developers figure out that to avoid this abuse they should tie their games to the steam drm :p
That might be possible for a lot of games, but what could they do about DOSBox/Flash games? Even Valve themselves say that Steam's DRM can't be applied on Flash games.
Please tell me people aren't complaining about this just because Steam and GOG both have refunds now. This is fantastic news!

Just make sure you back up your GOG games because, obviously, now Steam will crush GOG since they are basically the same, and we will all cry ourselves to sleep.
Post edited June 02, 2015 by tfishell
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DreamedArtist: I wonder how many people who get game that get banned from cheating on the first day will do a refund XD I can see this working in favor of cheaters, But non the less this is a smart move they had to do. What took them so long I have no fucking Idea.
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OneFiercePuppy: The T&C explicitly say that if VAC tags you, you become ineligible for the refund
Oh really? Nice well thank god they got that under wraps. I was going to say if that was not the case haha
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DCT: Galaxy rushed? why do people keep saying that? how is a software actively in Beta and marked as such rushed? I can see if they released it in Alpha/Beta state and claimed it was the finished product sure but making the Beta available to the public is not rushing it.
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Pheace: It was 'pushed to the public' because of the Witcher 3, not only is it linked on every gamepage in your library now but Witcher 3 came with it and the default install instructions used Galaxy.

Clearly they wanted to coincide the release of the Witcher 3 with the client but realistically, the client isn't up to snuff for that yet. It's offered some bad experiences for people (mainly Witcher 3 buyers no doubt) which could easily have been avoided had they waited to combine their client with sales till it was done.
I didn't say that it was pushed to the public to coincide with Witcher 3, just that it wasn't "rushed" unless you consider making a Beta public rushing it.