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Avogadro6: Everyone is trying to manipulate the news, not just the pro-immigrants. It gets particularly annoying when assholes like Breitbart mount fake cases (like this article someone posted in the GG thread some time ago) counting on the language barrier to hide the fact they're completely talking out of their ass.
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Gnostic: I think you Sir is the one who is counting on the language barrier to do the thing you accuse Breitbart of doing.

Because I go to the website you link, check the source provided, then run them over Google translator.

It supports the claims of Breitbart and I translated most of the text and read to be sure. The following is just a translation of the headline.
I did the same just now - getting the same result as you.

So what's the deal, Avogadro6? The source does indeed report what Brietbart stated - so maybe I'm not correctly understanding your claim. Can you clarify?
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Martek: So what's the deal, Avogadro6? The source does indeed report what Brietbart stated
No, it doesn't.
A gang of African migrants allegedly raped her there, and her cries for help are said to have gone unheard because of the music.
A gang? She claimed it was ONE man. Nowhere in the article (or any other sources for that matter) group violence is ever mentioned. Just an innocent mistake, right? Maybe that 'journalist' simply doesn't know Italian very well.

Oh wait. As Gnostic has shown above, even with Google translate you can't get it wrong.
But Corriere Della Serra also reports that some of her fellow activists are now accusing the woman of reporting the rape out of “spite,”because her group was withdrawn from the camp following a separate controversy.
That article actually states that according to the activists the rape has never happened and she's never been part of their group in the first place. They claimed she is a homeless woman who was hanging around the camp. When they asked her to leave, because they had issues with her attitude, she didn't simply "report the rape out of spite", she made it up altogether.

Someone must be lying, but as of now, there's simply no way to tell who. The media paid very little attention to this case (it was mostly reposts of the original sources) and if you go past the clickbait titles and read the actual articles, you'll notice that they don't really say anything conclusive.
In fact, I'm still not even sure who the woman is, it seems the only thing everyone agree on is that she used to stay in the camp and she's around 30 years old. Depending on what you read she might be "an activist from lombardy" "a local homeless" or someone "suffering of some kind of mental illness". You'd think a little fact-checking would clear that up, but apparently nobody cared enough to do so.

So, Breitbart took this (early and terribly incomplete) report, kept the parts they liked, twisted the rest and slapped a completely false title on top of it, because hey, why the fuck not? If this isn't a textbook example of modern 'journalism' I don't know what it is.
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Martek: So what's the deal, Avogadro6? The source does indeed report what Brietbart stated
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Avogadro6: No, it doesn't.

A gang of African migrants allegedly raped her there, and her cries for help are said to have gone unheard because of the music.
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Avogadro6: A gang? She claimed it was ONE man. Nowhere in the article (or any other sources for that matter) group violence is ever mentioned. Just an innocent mistake, right? Maybe that 'journalist' simply doesn't know Italian very well.

Oh wait. As Gnostic has shown above, even with Google translate you can't get it wrong.

But Corriere Della Serra also reports that some of her fellow activists are now accusing the woman of reporting the rape out of “spite,”because her group was withdrawn from the camp following a separate controversy.
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Avogadro6: That article actually states that according to the activists the rape has never happened and she's never been part of their group in the first place. They claimed she is a homeless woman who was hanging around the camp. When they asked her to leave, because they had issues with her attitude, she didn't simply "report the rape out of spite", she made it up altogether.

Someone must be lying, but as of now, there's simply no way to tell who. The media paid very little attention to this case (it was mostly reposts of the original sources) and if you go past the clickbait titles and read the actual articles, you'll notice that they don't really say anything conclusive.
In fact, I'm still not even sure who the woman is, it seems the only thing everyone agree on is that she used to stay in the camp and she's around 30 years old. Depending on what you read she might be "an activist from lombardy" "a local homeless" or someone "suffering of some kind of mental illness". You'd think a little fact-checking would clear that up, but apparently nobody cared enough to do so.

So, Breitbart took this (early and terribly incomplete) report, kept the parts they liked, twisted the rest and slapped a completely false title on top of it, because hey, why the fuck not? If this isn't a textbook example of modern 'journalism' I don't know what it is.
I see thanks for your explanation.

Sorry for doubting you.
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Gnostic: I see thanks for your explanation.

Sorry for doubting you.
No worries, that's what I meant about them counting on the language barrier.

As a side note, one of the reasons I made this thread is that I hoped it would help avoid misunderstandings like this. Please feel free to ask when in doubt. :)
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Avogadro6: snip
Oooh nice idea... favorited.
It is nice to know by the time I hit my 50th birthday, my fellow Scots and other near by countries are going to be bred out their land. Why don't we all just commit mass genocide and launch the Nukes? Surely going ALL the way back to the stone age is better than becoming a Muslim state.
For those who didn't get the memo back then, here are some articles from last autumn regarding the increase of rape cases (and theft):

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany

http://www.westfalen-blatt.de/OWL/Lokales/Kreis-Lippe/Detmold/2069675-13-jaehriges-Maedchen-aus-Asien-von-Landsmann-missbraucht-Verdaechtiger-in-U-Haft-Polizei-aeussert-sich-nach-Berichterstattung-Im-Fluechtlingsheim-vergewaltigt-Oeffentlichkeit-soll-nichts-erfahren
Post edited January 23, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: snip
Its so easy, just a few clicks and...the next garbage is posted.
And there are always some idiots beliving everything (if it fits).
edit: remember the post about a banned tinyE....my guess it that for a few minutes some believed it ;-)

So lets talk about some facts?
The rape happend, but this is a very sensual theme. The offender was already arrested. So, if you are not into conspiracy theories, maybe you should believe the police that they didn't post it because the family of the girl was in fear of reputation.

For the other bullshit.....there is not one fact that shows that Germany is now unsafer.
Most of the increase of criminality caused by immigrants comes from dodge paying the fare and shoplifting.
And please remember at the same time there was an immense increase of immigrants.

About rape..its horrible..and mostly done by Germans. Fact is that from the last posts of criminal acts done by immigrants most of them were FAKE. Oh, how Nazi love the internet.
But than...with a few more clicks you can see some interesting informations...
like that the gateoinstitute is know for anti-muslim propaganda.
Post edited January 23, 2016 by Schnuff
In a box at the side of the article is written:

Das sagt die Polizei
Einen Tag nach dieser Berichterstattung äußerte sich die Polizei. Die Öffentlichkeit hatte bis dahin nichts von diesem Verbrechen erfahren. »Das geschah aber nicht, um Ausländerkriminalität zu verheimlichen«, sagte am Donnerstag Lippes Kripochef Bernd Flake. »Es ging uns darum, das Opfer zu schützen.« Die Eltern des Kindes hätten um den Ruf und die Zukunft ihrer Tochter gefürchtet.
So it wasn't necessarily the intention to conceal the rape for political reasons.
Post edited January 23, 2016 by viperfdl
Meanwhile, in Calais, things heated up yesterday......

The leftists (most of them coming from outside Calais) organised a marching protest for the refugees in the streets of the city. They tagged "Fuck France" on a statue of the general Charles De Gaulle:
https://twitter.com/calaisolidarity/status/690968263963103233

As usual, tension is high with the local citizens and it could have ended up in a gunfight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc1G_pa1-c8

On top of it all, the activists cut a fence around the haven and then all the migrants rushed in to invade the ferry heading to UK (I remember my trip on it in the 80's):
https://twitter.com/Phil_Caller/status/690968769846497281

Naturally, the French newspapers barely talked about it and the most "complete" (but not fully) article comes from UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

I don't even want to make a comment on all this mess..... :(
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viperfdl: In a box at the side of the article is written:

Das sagt die Polizei
Einen Tag nach dieser Berichterstattung äußerte sich die Polizei. Die Öffentlichkeit hatte bis dahin nichts von diesem Verbrechen erfahren. »Das geschah aber nicht, um Ausländerkriminalität zu verheimlichen«, sagte am Donnerstag Lippes Kripochef Bernd Flake. »Es ging uns darum, das Opfer zu schützen.« Die Eltern des Kindes hätten um den Ruf und die Zukunft ihrer Tochter gefürchtet.
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viperfdl: So it wasn't necessarily the intention to conceal the rape for political reasons.
I'd like to believe this, but the stopped information flow on this whole topic from police to the press that was initated officially not long ago doesn't give me reason to believe that it wasn't political. Everything about this topic is political.
You can't expect to hear any of the "real" reasons when it comes to decisions made by the CDU and the following results.

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catpower1980: As usual, tension is high with the local citizens and it could have ended up in a gunfight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc1G_pa1-c8
Do I see it right, that citizens of Calais get attacked by a mob from elsequere on their own yard right in front of their door?
I wonder how many immigrants the participants of this mob are taking into their own homes to justify this behaviour at least towards themselves.

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catpower1980: On top of it all, the activists cut a fence around the haven and then all the migrants rushed in to invade the ferry heading to UK (I remember my trip on it in the 80's):
https://twitter.com/Phil_Caller/status/690968769846497281

Naturally, the French newspapers barely talked about it and the most "complete" (but not fully) article comes from UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

I don't even want to make a comment on all this mess..... :(
Interesting comment on the Twitter page:
Wow, look at all those military aged people that should be fighting for their own freedom & are NOT women & children
Indeed, all the women on the pics seem to be French, I wonder why those don't wonder.
Post edited January 24, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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catpower1980: As usual, tension is high with the local citizens and it could have ended up in a gunfight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc1G_pa1-c8
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Klumpen0815: Do I see it right, that citizens of Calais get attacked by a mob from elsequere on their own yard right in front of their door?
UPDATE: the family has been contacted and the mayor of Calais would have asked them to leave the city because the antifas promised some retaliation... The father was detained in custody for 3 hours and due to the laws, he could face a trial. Naturally, he's jobless so a crowdfunding page has been set up to cover the trial costs if he's convicted of having used "too much force" in self-defense.

You can make some donations here:
https://www.leetchi.com/c/solidarite-de-david-et-gael
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Avogadro6: Everyone is trying to manipulate the news, not just the pro-immigrants. It gets particularly annoying when assholes like Breitbart mount fake cases (like this article someone posted in the GG thread some time ago) counting on the language barrier to hide the fact they're completely talking out of their ass.
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Martek: So what's the deal, Avogadro6? The source does indeed report what Brietbart stated
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Avogadro6: No, it doesn't.

A gang? She claimed it was ONE man. Nowhere in the article (or any other sources for that matter) group violence is ever mentioned. Just an innocent mistake, right? Maybe that 'journalist' simply doesn't know Italian very well.

Oh wait. As Gnostic has shown above, even with Google translate you can't get it wrong.
Thanks for clarifying. (As far as Google Translate - that source kept refreshing every few seconds and in the process, throwing away the translation. I'd re-translate, and maybe get 5-seconds to re-find my spot and continue reading. I finally just gave up.)

Here's my issue with your initial post (topmost quote) on this - all you basically said was "they're completely talking out their ass". No other context.

So... did you mean - they completely made it up? That would be very easy to infer from that post.

Turns out they didn't completely make it up. It wasn't all fiction. A crime was reported. Looks like what this was, was something I expect a lot from both right- and left- leaning media (and, well, TBH, even from supposedly balanced media these days) - they take something and embellish it.

That what it boils down to on this one - they embellished. And, worse, from what you are saying - they maybe jumped on the story too early. (Similarly, here in the USA - there's tons of <i>"fake hate"</i> - so much so that I don't even believe these cases anymore until proven as fact. [the boy cries wolf way too often])

So just as a suggestion, next time you call BS on one of these reports, at least give us some additional context other than "they're completely talking out their ass" - so that we know what you are referring too. :)
Post edited January 25, 2016 by Martek
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Martek: (As far as Google Translate - that source kept refreshing every few seconds and in the process, throwing away the translation. I'd re-translate, and maybe get 5-seconds to re-find my spot and continue reading. I finally just gave up.)
Where trying to translate the whole page? You might have better results if you go [url=http://translate.google.com/ ]here [/url] and just paste the text in. Language detection is automatic and English-Italian translation is surprisingly decent most of the time.

I also found this other site to be very useful for translating specific words, slang terms, and short sentences google translate has trouble with.


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Martek: So just as a suggestion, next time you call BS on one of these reports, at least give us some additional context other than "they're completely talking out their ass" - so that we know what you are referring too. :)
Yes, you've got a point here. I actually expected that anyone running the text through google translate would be able to spot the differences, but it looks like I was wrong. That, and the fact that people in internet forums usually don't like to read walls of text, so I didn't bother making a detailed explanation.


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Martek: That what it boils down to on this one - they embellished. And, worse, from what you are saying - they maybe jumped on the story too early. (Similarly, here in the USA - there's tons of "fake hate" - so much so that I don't even believe these cases anymore until proven as fact. [the boy cries wolf way too often]) .
I can't really agree with this. I'm one of those guys who still think that the job of a journalist should be to find and report facts as objectively as possible (yes, I know, wishful thinking). Had they just reposted the case exactly as they found it, I wouldn't have had any problem with it.

But they didn't. They twisted all the main points, and then some. They changed the activists' version AND the woman's version. They forgot to mention that the police has reportedly been very cautious (if not skeptical) about the case. The woman's full statement was included in one of their sources, but they omitted that too. They also somehow managed to change a few small details here and there, such as the man's nationality from Senegal, which is in west Africa, to Sudan, which is close to Arabia (a mistake? or maybe because later in their article they mentioned an UK Sudanese asylum seeker was facing trial for rape at the time?).

YMMV, but I think they went a bit overboard with the embellishment here. And it pisses me off, because if the source articles were in English they wouldn't have dared to twist them so much. It pisses me off because it's fake. It pisses me off because there are actually people who believe this stuff, and keep parroting them.

The rape might as well be happened in the end - I don't know, I wasn't there - but this article would still remain horse fecal matter. It's a prime example of what should never happen in journalism, and they deserve zero respect for it.
I wonder what's really up behind the scenes atm.
Just think about it:
Merkel and her team always just try to gain and preserve power, they never did anything different even when it was about Fukushima, it's their modus operandi and they don't give a damn about foreign people ("foreign" includes everyone outside of their own party regardless of origin or homestead), so what's her/their real motivation for all this bullshit? Something is really off and when it's about the CDU, US-politics are always part of it.
Post edited January 25, 2016 by Klumpen0815