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Grargar: Licensed cars (and other properties as well) always exert a certain charm upon people. It's just not the same driving a Nercedes, a Missan, a Forsche or some other made up brand. :P
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CharlesGrey: I admit I only have a casual interest in the genre, but to me the only thing that matters in a racing game is that the cars "feel" ( and sound ) fun to drive around, and that they have interesting designs, and a decent selection of different models. Real world brands or logos make no difference to me. But I can see why they hold appeal for some, since it allows people to virtually drive some expensive and rare cars they would never be able to buy in real life. I guess it also depends on the type of game ( such as Simulation vs. Fun Racer ).
If they removed real-world branding from these games most of the people who buy them on a regular basis would down-rate the games. They would still buy them...but they would rate them lower. Gaming media would also downgrade them for the same reasons. The result of lower ratings could very well translate into lower sales and thus profits. In other words, buyers expect to get real-world brands in these kind of games.

There's also the issue of sponsors as a source of funding for sim-games, where in-game advertising is given in exchange for funds. Its seems to be common practice in both sports games and racing games.

The same applies to the actual car brands themselves. On one hand the manufacturers benefit from the advertising of their cars, and the game itself gains credibility by offering real-world cars. And 'credibility' is a major selling factor when it comes to racing sims.

Personally I don't care about having real cars and brands in arcade games like Need For Speed, however it does add further realism and thus immersion to a racing sim. Its one of the things that distinguishes a sim game from an arcade game.
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Wishbone: No, they won't. You apparently still don't understand the issues involved. It would require Codemasters to sign new licensing deals with every car manufacturer involved, which is not economically feasible for any but brand new full-priced titles. Expecting it to happen for a 10-year old game is beyond optimistic.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: If you going with this way of thinking, nothing will happen, if we grow interest on it, we may get it! I know that they need to get licenses from manufacturers, but they maybe not require any new renewing license. They may have signed a deal to have these licenses for years, but just a minor thing made them to remove the game. Or they just removed them like the Fallout games, just for removing them.
Given that it was explicitly stated at the time that the game was removed because the licensing deal with the car manufacturers had expired... No. Just no.

Find yourself another cause to devote your time and energy to.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: If you going with this way of thinking, nothing will happen, if we grow interest on it, we may get it! I know that they need to get licenses from manufacturers, but they maybe not require any new renewing license. They may have signed a deal to have these licenses for years, but just a minor thing made them to remove the game. Or they just removed them like the Fallout games, just for removing them.
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Wishbone: Given that it was explicitly stated at the time that the game was removed because the licensing deal with the car manufacturers had expired... No. Just no.

Find yourself another cause to devote your time and energy to.
Alright, if you are so negative on it, why the h are you here?

They got stated, of some license infridgement, but if we show that we want it, they may bring it back.
Post edited September 27, 2015 by XxXSprayvWarXxX
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moonshineshadow: Sending tickets to gog support would be just silly and block the queue for real support requests. So let's not do this.
Here is the wishlist entry if people want to vote:
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/colin_mcrae_rally_2005
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Not, if you mark it as feedback!
Yeah sure mark it as feedback and spam support with useless tickets about things they have no power over or can't do anything. Great idea -.-
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Wishbone: Given that it was explicitly stated at the time that the game was removed because the licensing deal with the car manufacturers had expired... No. Just no.

Find yourself another cause to devote your time and energy to.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Alright, if you are so negative on it, why the h are you here?
Just trying to save you some time, and prevent you from wasting others' time with this unrealistic notion that somehow you can make this game come back.

Here is the original discussion thread from when the game was pulled back in 2009: https://www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/re_attention_of_all_toca_race_driver_3_and_colin_mcrae_rally_2005_owners/page1

Given your interest in the game, you really should read it.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Alright, if you are so negative on it, why the h are you here?
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Wishbone: Just trying to save you some time, and prevent you from wasting others' time with this unrealistic notion that somehow you can make this game come back.

Here is the original discussion thread from when the game was pulled back in 2009: https://www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/re_attention_of_all_toca_race_driver_3_and_colin_mcrae_rally_2005_owners/page1

Given your interest in the game, you really should read it.
Oh well, I'm still positive on this.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Hey guys, don;t get discouraged by the licensing issues, they might bring it back if they hear us!
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Wishbone: No, they won't. You apparently still don't understand the issues involved. It would require Codemasters to sign new licensing deals with every car manufacturer involved, which is not economically feasible for any but brand new full-priced titles. Expecting it to happen for a 10-year old game is beyond optimistic.
The whole issue just feels silly, I mean you can buy these games on console and play them without any of these licensing issues, yet for PC they seem to enforce these rules simply because they can.
There should be some kind of deadline after which renewing these licences are no longer necessary.

Re-releasing these classic games could mean that more people might get into rally racing games and thus be willing to buy more of the new stuff and thus invest in this very specialized niche.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Not, if you mark it as feedback!
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moonshineshadow: Yeah sure mark it as feedback and spam support with useless tickets about things they have no power over or can't do anything. Great idea -.-
They have the power to contact codemasters for this.
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moonshineshadow: Yeah sure mark it as feedback and spam support with useless tickets about things they have no power over or can't do anything. Great idea -.-
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: They have the power to contact codemasters for this.
*sigh*
They can. And they probably will if there is enough interest and if there is any chance to get the game (better said in this case they surely already tried).
But the interest is judged by the wishlist and not by spamming support.
good game and sad here that it's gone as well. But well as others already explained extensively it wont come back due to its licensing issues for sure - and nothing can be done about it.
Spamming the Codemaster/GoG support with tickets will just create a mess for them but relicensing for an old game still wont happen due to the legal hassle, costs and due to the low sale point of the game (price wise and volume wise ) - and ya just bc they get a few spammed tickets they just wont suddenly think "Well we could sell a few 100K copies of this if we relicense and relicensing will give us an easy profit" - ya so it's just a lost cause
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: They have the power to contact codemasters for this.
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moonshineshadow: *sigh*
They can. And they probably will if there is enough interest and if there is any chance to get the game (better said in this case they surely already tried).
But the interest is judged by the wishlist and not by spamming support.
Not always, wishlist is fine, but you need also your voice on this! And it isn't spamming! They have different teams for each. One team for feedback, one team for techhical problems, etc.
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moonshineshadow: *sigh*
They can. And they probably will if there is enough interest and if there is any chance to get the game (better said in this case they surely already tried).
But the interest is judged by the wishlist and not by spamming support.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Not always, wishlist is fine, but you need also your voice on this! And it isn't spamming! They have different teams for each. One team for feedback, one team for techhical problems, etc.
Sure and you know that because of what prove?

But why am I even discussing with you, it is clear you won't see any sense. Hopefully most people have enough sense to not create tickets.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Not always, wishlist is fine, but you need also your voice on this! And it isn't spamming! They have different teams for each. One team for feedback, one team for techhical problems, etc.
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moonshineshadow: Sure and you know that because of what prove?

But why am I even discussing with you, it is clear you won't see any sense. Hopefully most people have enough sense to not create tickets.
Because, it is just logic, they just can't have 2 guys on their support! And with voice lots of things can happen! If you are so toxic, nothing will happen.
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moonshineshadow: Sure and you know that because of what prove?

But why am I even discussing with you, it is clear you won't see any sense. Hopefully most people have enough sense to not create tickets.
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XxXSprayvWarXxX: Because, it is just logic, they just can't have 2 guys on their support! And with voice lots of things can happen! If you are so toxic, nothing will happen.
Clearly you have not received answers from support often...

And it has nothing to do with toxic, I even linked the wishlist entry which you did not... this is just common sense and keeping support open for people that need it, it is slow enough at times.
Post edited September 27, 2015 by moonshineshadow
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R8V9F5A2: There should be some kind of deadline after which renewing these licences are no longer necessary.
It's even easier: Stop signing contracts for limited time licenses! They're just stupid! Car manufaturers don't need to be afraid that some video game developer gets filthy rich selling a 10 years old computer game with "free" Porsches and Ferraris (or Fords and Subarus, since this is a Rally game).

Copyright and licensing is important, but limiting the time you're allowed to use the brands in a video game is bullshit. It's a waste of money, because you'd need to pay someone to supervise all this crap. Just make it lifetime licenses for one single game (no add-ons, sequels, remakes, etc.). Sometimes it's not too bad to use your common sense instead of a lawyer.
Post edited September 27, 2015 by real.geizterfahr