Dessimu: I am having deja vu here
dedoporno: Can you share with the rest, please?
Sure. Wait for it...
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Almost there...
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Aha!
What RWarehall said D1, #361 for new players:
RWarehall: ...
For you newer players. Here's what I look for. I'm looking for scum "pretending" to be Town which is what all scum must do. The most common way mafia hide are to make generic generally obvious Town posts (often following logic introduced by others) while staying out of controversy. I've seen some good players do it. They crack a lot of jokes; they acknowledge other's good insights (on those they know are actually Town). But what they don't usually do is become the primary force behind any mislynch.
There are two ways I've seen them go about it.
1) Some stay off the mislynch entirely. Often staying on some wagon that was never going to go anywhere or sticking with their RVS votes.
2) Others are quick to follow "good logic". This is where the "3rd vote is scum" idea comes from. I've heard it as 3-5. But this group want to jump on the final lynch wagon shortly after the player making the big push, but before they get forced to be the clinched vote. Unfortunately, what happens in most day 2's after a mislynch is people look for why. And the 2 players that get scrutinized hard are those who really pushed the wagon and those who cast the final vote. The first are those who often are Town who genuinely think they saw something lynch worthy and the latter who are voting because they want to avoid a no-lynch.
So, in short, "hiding in plain sight" are players who are generally lurking and/or following while feigning a level of activity.
and what RWarehall kinda repeats D2, #602 for new players:
RWarehall: ...
Folks new to the game. This is what I look for in "hiding in plain sight". It becomes more prominent after Day 1.
1) Lots of joking around and frivolous posts to spur post count and not appear lurking.
2) Subtle implications of other player's scumminess or sometimes wishy-washy defenses of scum buddies.
3) But more importantly characterized by not actively pushing for anything so as not to get any blame on a mislynch.
4) Will often slide onto a wagon in the 3-5 spots after someone else has clearly spear-headed it. Again ,so they get the blame and they were just following.
5) You will also see a lot of general non-specific advice for Town in lieu of actually trying to solve the problems. Often never addressing the current game at all. Explaining acronyms. Meaning of phrases but rarely applying it to want is going on right now.
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And that's my Deja Vu. If this logic helped RWarehall to focus on Bucktooth, then why not try same method on Catte? Though this hard pounce on Catte looks a bit like overreaction. Reasons may stand, just why so hard? Because "hiding in plain sight" (or lurking) can also be called Babark, Razza.
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(My short term memory is as good as a jello shot. Seems solid, but quickly goes liquid. I keep getting excited and "rediscovering" same things I have seen before o___O")
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@RWarehall, I want to add a few comments on each point of second quote (P.S. which are not even necessary upon rereading before posting) :
1) Catte does like to do that. My experience was with him being mafia last game. But you know, experienced player will keep meta consistent, so as not to ought himself out easily, right? So, in general good things, I can't expect a joking Catte always be mafia. Plus, we need some jokes. Everyone loved town!Cadaver much more when he implemented some fun in his walls of text, for example. Town!Microfish did this and it got him wrongly lynched.
This game, also guilty of joking
might be: Dessimu, ZFR, Joe (general impression)
2) Got no counters here. But don't Townies, who know nothing and are not confident in their own observations, do the same?
3) Not always true. scum!Bookwyrm springs to mind from last game, having been all over the place closer to the end. But yeah, different circumstances.
This game, don't Babark or Razza fall under this too? Although Babark did vote often I reckon.
4) Well, to achieve any lynch, somebody has to occupy the space, right?
5) In general we all seem to be helpful here.
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@all I apologize for unnecessarily long post here. It just helped me think and conclusions I made are:
> @RWarehall: why do you keep pointing your teachings to new players only and why does it look like you are giving them a pass, when they kinda often fit your scum-tells?
> @RWarehall: to be honest, I don't disagree with logic, I may even like it. Just the way you presented it to Catte seemed unnecessarily harsh.
dedoporno: I support Catte's wagon
based on my own reads but during the Day I've gotten a lot more
interested in razza.
I'll trust my initial read and vote Catte but I'm also willing to switch to razza. Actually scratch that. I prefer it the other way around. I'm voting razza but would switch to Catte.
vote razza Could you share with the rest, please? As in, what made you more interested in Razza?
