I'd answer your question but it might not be a useful enough contribution so I can't.

Uh?

I will have some contributions tonight, within the next 2-3 hours or so. Apologies for the absence.

I'm going to bed, but I'm not at work tomorrow so I'll be around.

I'm catching up again.

While I agree the vote was a knee-jerk reaction(pretty much everything joe has posted since that vote has been one really), is a ettac vote really going to do much to rush the clock down? This game has shown so far that ettac wagons do not build that quickly, D4 was proof enough that if ettac was really on scum radar Lift would probably still be alive right now.

Looking back at it now, the D4 and D3 wagons seem to have a bit of consistency

D4:
catte 2 - yogsloth(1467), Dessimu(1471)
Lift 5 - gogtrial(1569), TOWN, bucktooth(1599), catte(1646), Bookwyrm(1647)
Bookwyrm 2 - Joe(1611), SCUM

Note the 2 points of: 1. Wagon started by yog/dess and 2. a large post count gap between ettacs and the other(successful) wagon

D3:
Micro 6 - gogtrial(1075), Joe(1080), SCUM(1094), ettac(1102), bucktooth(1104), Bookwrym(1166)
ettac 4 - Dessimu(955), yogsloth(964), TOWN(1096), TOWN(1121)

both points apply here. Dess/yog starting the ettac wagon and a whopping 111 post gap between yogs vote on ettac and gogtrial's smoking gun proof on micro

So what does this mean? 1. Does a Dess/yog scum team really have it our for ettac for some reason: I would doubt since that would mean either none or just 1 of the scum team jumpped on Lift's wagon, something that would be easier to spot the later the game goes on.
Or 2. Scum gives a wide berth from the Dess/yog/ettac show as to not make it too obvious that the quick wagoning is in retaliation of the ettac wagon.

I would argue 2 is more likely...but then what is the scum gameplan here? Does Lift make a desicion on N3 that if a ettac wagon builds he takes the fall? That would be the best reason of why I could think scum!gogtrial would start the lift wagon, or does scum!book take up the role of hammering every wagon D3 and on to be consistent whether he hits town or scum?

This is all just speculation: but with these two wagons I could talk myself into a gogtrial/ettac/joe/lift team. I only don't throw book in there only because until his claim is disproven I see little reason why his "role" would be scum aligned.

The joe vote on ettac to fit my logic: he seems to be retaliating to multiple people telling him to stop asking Lift questions(see his multiple "I would answer but it might not be considered useful enough..." responses) and is just throwing a vote out.

As you can see from the text-vomit above, I think im starting to find ettac scummier than the evidenceless gut feelings I was having about you. The lack of steam ettac's wagons get has to mean that scum does not want it to happen.

D4 was kinda strange. Wagons did not move easily and it could very well be that most were scum wagons. Without checking D4 vote history (phone), this is what I remember:

- Gogtrial had my vote, wagon sat still for like 24 hours
- Dessimu had 4 votes, max 2 at any time: from Lift, Book, Buck and Ettac
- Lift eventually was lynched
- Ettac had 2 votes: yogs and Dess, wagon did not move any further than that and was basically diverted from by Gogtrial. I am not angry about it at all, having Lift lynched is great. Just stating the fact, that Gogtrial actually diverted lynch away from ettac for a second Day

I was reading quickly ettac's latest posts this morning, laughed to myself when ettac started replying to gogtrial by "Well, these are great questions!" It felt like an interview.

@ettac: I understand this is worth nothing now, but my balls are pretty average and as scum, I just would not have voted Lift at all D2. And you are trying to measure how likely was it for scum!Dess to do a distancing gamble from Lift, by riding a scum wagon against a Town wagon. It's a bit to extreme, no?

i'd point out that deadline's in 12 and a half hours but I wouldn't want to accidentally contribute something useless so I won't

I hate how sleeping on things for a night makes you see everything from yet another direction. Certainty certainly feels much easier. >.<

So, what Joe has done here is given up, and at the same time provided 'proof' that the scum team indeed consists of Joe + Dessimu + yogs (the three people off-wagon on D4) - with the risk that said 'proof' contains misdirection, which in itself could be a double-bluff, or he has read the game-state from his perspective and concluded that catte must be scum.

And of course the possibility remains that the scum-team for one reason or another can't get a quickhammer lined up, and each one individually deems it too risky to hop on by themselves.

When Joe is town, he doesn't give up (I remember a memorable SH where everyone was scum-reading him and he fought so hard and fruitlessly).

@Joe: Have you given up?

"Taunting" makes sense for caught-scum!Joe. Is there a world where town!Joe reads ?!gogtrial's post as taunting?

You might want to have that time machine of yours looked at, as it appears broken from here.
I meant #1772, which in the timeline where I wrote #1822 was in the past.

2-3 hours later:
Explain your lack of claim!

(Making explicit what Joe also noticed, with the added context that you were indeed aware of mass-claim proposal and implied in favour.)

Well, excuse me for not living up to almighty-yog standards.

Chaos happens when you're uninformed. Yes, deliberate chaos is pretty much the ultimate scum-tool, but at least I'm trying to provide clarity and analysis.

You not sharing your ideas and analysis just means that if a fellow town player happened to have access to a missing piece of the puzzle that would solve it: the puzzle wouldn't get solved! (Or at least, not until a later day - when hey, you might not be around!) It means that less-experienced town, or just town who don't work in an analytical way, will be failing around in the dark without anything to go on.
Not contributing everything you have to give means that other players will spend an undue amount of time worrying about you.

I say 75% of the solution toDay is better than 100% of the solution toMorrow, when we might not be around to benefit. I don't see how you deliberately withholding your ideas and analysis helps town at all.

11 hours 30 minutes left:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20220520T2000&amp;p0=78&amp;font=cursive

I was going to look at all days, started at D4, and hit paydirt.
(Also, this was while lying in bed at night. I did not rember the exact composition of the EoD wagons.)

I understand that. What I don't understand is why you aren't solving the game from your perspective. You should be pretty much convinced that the scum-team consists of Joe + Buck + 1 from the set of {catte, yogs}, yet all you're saying is "catte, catte, catte". (Maybe you really see Book as scum despite his claim? How does that make sense from your perspective?)
Could you state what you believe beyond scum!catte? Not 100% certainty, as town can't have that, but like 90% certainty - good enough to vote on, and otherwise gg to scum?

I rode it off because that point of view never threatened me. It only threatened you, at a point where I believed you to be town - and both Book and Lift had made the point before, so you making it again felt superfluous. I in fact first took it as sarcasm, which was strengthened by Book's reaction which I read as taking it the same, and only when multiple people took it serious, and you responded in kind, did I file it under "huh?" and left it in my drawer of weird pings to return to at some point.

What I was doing there is re-interpreting notable actions from this new PoV, and seeing that they still make sense; possibly more so than from the old PoV.
I'm not saying "Joe townreads you for the epiphany, thus Joe is scum". I'm saying "if Dessimu and Joe are scum, then the epiphany and townread make sense"

And that reason is something that would be bad to share at this stage?

To not give any potential scum information before they claim. I don't actually have a good feel for what other factors would be important in determining mass-claim order. I'm however perfectly okay with dedo's order.

At the moment of posting, when I felt it was the only possible solution: Because I did not want the day to end, and wanted to have time to discuss the theory with the other town, both to make certain the case was 100% watertight, and to confirm that they were on board for the remaining two Days. A caught scum-team might bus en masse, nightkill me, block bookwyrm to prevent me from coming back (whoc knows if that'd work, but the risk is there), and that'd be it for my contributions. (Yes, too much self-importance; I blame Cadaver's praise.)