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ZFR: The most likely explanation, given no counterclaims, is trent's claim is genuine and GH is Town who just want to claim his real Town role badly.
You forgot to say why you think I want to claim badly. ;)

(BTW, I admit a small part of me wants to reveal it for the heck of it, but a larger part is due to what I said before)

While yer here: Do you think we should vote either Vitek or Blotunga, or go with nolynch, or something else?

I ask as the clock is ticking(we have under 7 hours I believe).
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blotunga: At the moment I see only the Vitek wagon having a chance of going somewhere, so if nobody has any other ideas, what do you peeps think about that? While I don't necessarily find him scummy, I'd maybe vote him to avoid a no-lynch. Ok, in the last game it did backfire, but every game is different.
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Vitek: Are you aware it consists of RVS vote, of vote I got because I was first to vote and of vote because I am apparently trying to get trent lynched?
I thought ZFR was the first one to kick off serious votes? Also, would you think that last vote is a deliberate misrepresentation?

Joe hasn't OMGUS'ed you, is that something you consider AI or NAI?

On topic of vote, I'm still unsure of where to vote given that I don't feel strongly about one particular person of my next 2 suspects (ZFR or blotunga) in #433 and my perception of bucky did improve even if a little. That being said I still don't understand flub posts, definitely too high level for someone like me to understand.
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Vitek: I told you I found your reasons to do it appaling. I would think it would be more than enough of answer considering you accepted flub's "I don't have any" as valid answer.
I must've missed your post where you said that, or the bit where you said it....could you point the post out, perhaps(post number I mean)?

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Vitek: You were the one going "hello, look at me, I have a role! It's great! Look! And there is much to talk about. What you are talking about it? You scum!"
In #569 he was accusing you of possibly being scum. I would recon that was his reason for voicing it out loud.
Oh crap, I thought that role was a town one.....I will now admit I didn't read all the roles in the signup or their alignments.

(Yes, everyone feel free to now lambaste and/or suspect me for not reading something as well)

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Vitek: That's not lamist.
Like at all.
The same way you could say it is drunken rambling. Because it has nothing in common with either.
What about now? Is this explanation lamist?

(I am half serious here....sometimes I just can't tell in full or in part what might be lamist)
@Vitek: I'm not very convinced, but at this point there aren't too many options to avoid a no-lynch.

That's also why I asked for opinions.

@GH: I wanted to reason out why'd you volunteer any info to scum. Maybe I should've kept shut, but then again we don't have a secret night chat so if we want to share anything, it's in the open.
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ZFR: The most likely explanation, given no counterclaims, is trent's claim is genuine and GH is Town who just want to claim his real Town role badly.
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Vitek: How does it influence GH being town?
It doesn't. I didn't mean trent's claim to be related to GH being Town.

If we accept the premise that Lift didn't give safeclaims, then trent's claim is probably genuine, given that scum!trent could have selected a better one from Lift's list. Either one that (a) is not likely to be there or (b) if counterclaimed would at least give Mafia info no who has a useful role.

If we accept the premise that Lift didn't give safeclaims, then my theory that GH wants to claim so badly because he wants to show off his fake claim is false. Ergo the likely explanationn is that GH wants to claim badly because he has an intereseting Town role and wants to show it off.


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ZFR: It bothered me as soon as it happened. I've written that in post 161.
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Vitek: Yeah but there you just called it fictin and didn't botehr with flub any more than that and several days later you come with it in dramatic fashion ("Yeah, this is bad"). Thanks to it being aimed at you originally and you reacting to it, you were clearly aware of it but only brought it up as thing against flub now.
Because it wasn't a major thing and bigger things came up: blotunga and GH so this was put aside. I was reminded of it because of flub's weird "you're more like a Neutral" to trent, because that's twice flub stretches, to put it mildly, the truth to show trent in a worse light, so I was wondering if it's because he has a reason to go after him.

I didn't mean the "yeah , this is bad" start to be "dramatic". It was just a continuation of my thought process "is this normal flub, or is there something weird going on...? Yeah, this actually does look bad."
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Hunter65536: I thought ZFR was the first one to kick off serious votes? Also, would you think that last vote is a deliberate misrepresentation?

Joe hasn't OMGUS'ed you, is that something you consider AI or NAI?

On topic of vote, I'm still unsure of where to vote given that I don't feel strongly about one particular person of my next 2 suspects (ZFR or blotunga) in #433 and my perception of bucky did improve even if a little. That being said I still don't understand flub posts, definitely too high level for someone like me to understand.
It isn't for the first serious vote, it's for the first vote in the game, in the RVS.
As the second thing, it was done by Enderek who plays his first game so I am willing to give him benefit of doubt so far, even though it doesn't sit well with me of course becuase it does misreperesents my actions.

I don't think Joe does that either way, so NAI.

I get your ZFR and blotunga suspects are exclusive?
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blotunga: @GH: I wanted to reason out why'd you volunteer any info to scum. Maybe I should've kept shut, but then again we don't have a secret night chat so if we want to share anything, it's in the open.
1. Thanks for the info/clarification.

2. Read above reply by me to Vitek....I thought PT was a town role(due to not reading every role and their faction in the signup...yeah, I know...I believe I focused on others for that same thing[but with the OP post and not reading it] earlier)

3. A nitpick: we(town) sort of do all have a night chat, of a sort.....albeit limited. Town can send messages to those they feel are town via the courier mentioned in the OP post....of course they could also send messages to scum without knowing.

4. I like to keep lists short, so there's nothing further to add atm.
What are Safe Claims?
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Korotan: What are Safe Claims?
Mod tells Mafia "You can claim X name and/or Y role and be sure they won't be counterclaimed." They can be used if the mod feels they're needed for balance.
@GH: Yes we have a messenger which is about just as dangerous as trent's power. Probably btw since you did bring it up in an earlier post, trent won't use his power until he has an idea who would benefit from it. I for sure wouldn't randomly give anyone two actions.
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ZFR: Ergo the likely explanationn is that GH wants to claim badly because he has an intereseting Town role and wants to show it off.
Eager? Me? Naaaaaaaaaaaah.

But again: I also have other reasons, including that I don't know whether or not it'd be a bigger help or harm for town to know my role now, due to it's nature(which I mentioned earlier).


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Also to all: We have 3-7 hours(best to assume it's only 3, to be on the safe side) left....so who do we vote for, if anyone? Or do we nolynch?

(Nolynch might be a good idea in this game, as[as someone pointed out earlier] Trent could give scum a double NK if he is town and picks wrongly...though I am also willing to vote for someone as well...what do y'all think?)
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Vitek: ...
I get your ZFR and blotunga suspects are exclusive?
That's correct, that is how I'm feeling at the moment.

Quick question - what do you make of dedo? I don't particularly remember anything about his posts and he's no newbie by any means so it ticks me as weird.

@others can also reply, question not exclusive to Vitek
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blotunga: @GH: Yes we have a messenger which is about just as dangerous as trent's power.
Let's hope that whoever is the messenger is competent, then.

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blotunga: Probably btw since you did bring it up in an earlier post, trent won't use his power until he has an idea who would benefit from it. I for sure wouldn't randomly give anyone two actions.
Musing: Tbh I might, if I were Trent's role, to be bold and take a chance...of course i'd likely hold off even then til N2 or so as well.

That said, I agree it's likely best he hold off until he has more concrete leans/ways to pick who best to use his power on.


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GH goes over to his pack and takes out a small (and slightly dusty) plastik wrapped object, opens it, and takes a bite...doing his best to not make a mess as he does so.

"Ah, pre-war snacks....so much fun when one can find them" he thinks to himself as the sun gets ready to set upon the group.

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@Hunter-Post 597: I don't have much read on him atm, iirc.
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GymHenson: .
Since you're unsure whether you'd help town or not, maybe we should just lynch you, just to be safe ;)

Mostly kidding, but at the moment seems we're at a stalemate. Also I might have to go offline for a few hours. So if anyone has some bright ideas, speak now or forever hold your peace.
Had a good night playing Deadland's: Hell on Earth, in the midst of battling a Road Gang to rescues our families that they are trying to make slaves out of. Fun time :)


I've been going back over the game thread this morning and both Catte and Pooka's commitment levels seem very low for the game. I want to see more from them.

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Pookina: I mean hory freck I missed a lot. I saw that trent claimed and was brought to L-3. And no, I don't dispute that claim. In fact, it's a feat to get trent to frustratingly claim on D1. Not a good feat, but a feat nonetheless.

Though I'm not sure of the state of affairs surrounding flub or why he's that unpopular.
What are your thoughts on how GH has been acting this game and his continual hinting of a PR that is harmful/helpful for Town? Who do you suspect and why?


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my name is vaughlte catte: ...
Same questions for you. What are your thoughts on how GH has been acting this game and his continual hinting of a PR that is harmful/helpful for Town? Who do you suspect and why?


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JoeSapphire: You know, I think when I'm mafia I tend to find more reasons why we shouldn't be voting for the people I don't really suspect much.

I'd be like "vote trent"
and then 10 minutes later I'd be like "no wait but look! trent said this! unvote trent! wow, being town is hard am I rite guys?"

though the last few games I've been playing process-of-elimination style and I think that changes up things quite a lot. So... maybe? Except no because I'm not.
If you're aware of what you do as mafia then wouldn't you make sure not to do it if you were mafia?

I'm voting GH and am good with my vote there, and I am willing to vote anyone to avoid a No lynch as I am not getting big Town vibes from anyone this game. I also would like to apologize if I've come across as an a**hole this game as I don't want to be that way, just want to have fun.