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Lifthrasil: @Catte: yes, I can take a hint. But in your case I won't. That ship has sailed. Because scum can too easily try to hide behind such hints when they are caught at something that seems off.
Perhaps if certain people had taken hints earlier it wouldn't have come to this, it only seems off because people keep picking at something. Apart from GH's weird ideas, the entire case against me seems to be "appears to have breadcrumbed something, doesn't want to talk about it". You know what, you've probably blown it by this point anyway. I was still hoping to be of some use, but that ship has probably sailed too.

I'll spill undercooked beans all over you if enough people want it. I'll take your vote as a vote for that, and I guess Micro. Not sure about nmillar, him moving his vote could be a sign he's decided to stop picking. Not sure about Vitek and GH as they haven't been pushing hard. No idea about dedo and phaolo, they seem to have been leaving well alone (glad of something drawing peoples focus maybe? Hmm).
What? Why would dedo and phaolo be glad about the 'distraction'? It's not as if those two are under heavy scrutiny and would need a distraction. Phaolo seems to be less suspect than anyone else in this game.

But asking for a popular vote on whether you should explain yourself or not is OK. We still have some time for that thanks to the extension.
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Lifthrasil: If you are town, you would understand how this looks to other townies. "I don't know if my capitalization means something" (which is an absurd statement) but also "it doesn't mean anything" but also "don't keep prodding. It totally means something that would be bad to reveal" ... these statements and insinuations combined are self contradictory. And that's what I call unreasonable behaviour.
I was being coy because explaining would defeat the purpose you numpty. :P

The entire basis of your suspicion is my reluctance to talk about something that no townie should want to draw attention to prematurely. I've been trying to salvage this but I suspect it's completely impossible by this point. So well done there guys, great job.

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Lifthrasil: What? Why would dedo and phaolo be glad about the 'distraction'? It's not as if those two are under heavy scrutiny and would need a distraction. Phaolo seems to be less suspect than anyone else in this game.

But asking for a popular vote on whether you should explain yourself or not is OK. We still have some time for that thanks to the extension.
The mafia don't need a distraction from anything in particular, just something to dominate the discussion. I just noticed that dedo and phaolo don't seem particularly interested and I wondered why.

If a majority of people want me to open this up then I'll do it, but if people are happy to go with this then there might still be some value. Just don't get too excited, I feel like I may have oversold myself by this point. :P
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my name is magike catte: Read between the lines dude. You really want to pull this thread any more than it's already been pulled?
This is a good point....if you had a PR, it is odd NMillar would try so hard to out it(and possibly disadvantage town in the process).

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my name is magike catte: It does make me wonder if you were right about Nmillar. You've been suspecting both of us for a while, it looks to me like nmillar is trying to tip the scales. Frankly, his paranoid reaction to me "breadcrumb" already made me wonder.
I already suspect Micro for other reasons, so him suddenly being ready to go along with nmillar does rub me up the wrong way.
So then you'd be willing to go in on an Nmillar wagon or no? Because if so i'm up for it.
(Well i'd prefer either Vitek or NMillar, really, to be honest)

(Bump needed for reals, yo)
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GymHenson: This is a good point....if you had a PR, it is odd NMillar would try so hard to out it(and possibly disadvantage town in the process).

So then you'd be willing to go in on an Nmillar wagon or no? Because if so i'm up for it.
(Well i'd prefer either Vitek or NMillar, really, to be honest)

(Bump needed for reals, yo)
Bump that's probably too late to be useful.
Thanks anyways for trying, bruh.
(new bump would maybe be helpful now, tho)
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Vitek: You act like being inconsistent in reads and opinions and changeing them on the fly is not scum tell. Because it absolutely is.
It's not about forgetting things. It's about holding position that suits you and discarding it for contradictory one as soon as you need it.
Already said why I play that way.

Also, a good number of players (from what i've seen) adjust their reads over time as they scrutinize new posts/etc, either leaning people more or less town/scum.

So you're trying to now claim that me playing like a good number of others likely would while scum hunting as town is somehow scum tell?

*Falls off of cliff laughing, before hovering back up while still laughing*

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Vitek: Does it mean you are not ever trying to achieve lynch because it is not possible to be done? Why are you pushing it then?
I keep my vote where it is because I suspect you, of course....and also seeing as my wagons don't seem to go anywhere there's little reason for me to bother trying to start a new one on my other suspects.

Catte has a vote on them, but it's by Nmillar, so i'm hesitant to jump on that wagon...especially given how much I suspect Nmillar. Might switch votes to NMillar, though, if they get some votes on them.....but for now i'll likely keep my vote where it is.

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Vitek: I had one and only reason for making the hammer when I did and I stated it outright. There was nothing else to to it.
Not everything I do is related to my in-game alignment and is supposed to push my agenda.
So then explain why you couldn't wait 10 minutes when we had 20 or more minutes left? Seeing as any lynch candidate not confirmed could be town, you should've been ok with allowing Blotunga one more chance to post reads/etc.
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my name is magike catte: I just noticed that dedo and phaolo don't seem particularly interested and I wondered why. [..]
If a majority of people want me to open this up then I'll do it [..]
Probably because it's the second time in this game I told people (townies) to not reveal breadcrumbs, unless they're sure about a possible meaning..
It just puts roles in danger and makes other townies incorrectly suspicious.

Gogtrial said there could be more complex cases pro-scum, but anyway.. we're probably at risk of losing, so IMO it's better to "spill the beans" at this point (if you have something useful to share?)
If we survive and you're town, your allusions probably already put a target on you in any case.
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dedoporno: No because point 1) contradicts the list you're providing. You say you suspect every other player outside of the confirmed Townies. Then you proceed to leave out phaolo and Micro entirely from your list of suspects. They are not confirmed Town so if 1) is true both of them should still be listed even if at the very bottom. But you keep leaving them out explicitly.
I assumed people could put 2 + 2 together and would get that that puts them(Micro/Phaolo) on the bottom of my suspects list.

Also an aside on suspicion: I tend not to notice the lurkers as much as I should, or weigh them as I should.....I (due to play style and what I focus on) tend to focus on those who post more and post more "odd" things than lurkers.

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GymHenson: Oh wait, did you mean you are honestly contemplating that (If I were scum) I would list everyone as suspects but myself and my scumbuddies? Really?
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dedoporno: Really. If you're not scum a whole lot of what what you've been saying and doing is extremely questionable. So if you're prone to strange behavior as Town there is no reason to discount weird/poor play as scum. Sorry not sorry.
So you're saying you HONESTLY think i'd be so dumb as to list all town and not list all the scum players if I were scum this game?

Either you're scum trying hard to shade me with a very flimsy bit of shading, or (if you're town) that's kinda rude. o.0 :\
(to infer that i'm that bad a player, that is)

Also big point: Others have duly noted/opined that I have been playing "better" in some ways. If that's the case, why would I then make such a rookie mistake if I were scum?

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dedoporno: The vote didn't seem to raise an issue when it was put as you posted your list at least twice, hours after it was placed and Micro wasn't considered in neither of them. So I guess him not answering your question about claiming is catalyst here?
In part that, and in part the vote coming AFTER my request for such had been made....seemed oddly timed"...their vote, that is.

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dedoporno: That you are wrong about Catte and/or you are wrong about nmillar? Another option is distancing.
Could be wrong about one of them....if I had to choose which i'm wrong about, i'd pick Catte as being more likely to be town atm due to NMillar's vote on Catte recently(despite Catte being on my suspects list, albeit lower on it) and their prodding of Catte over the lettering in some of Catte's posts.

Of course, if it's distancing of possible scum buddies Catte and Nmillar: if we lynch either one then we'd still hit scum, which would be fine with me.

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dedoporno: Everyone can be Town just like everyone can be scum. Scum are likely on the verge of winning right now. Bussing should be an acceptable option for them at this point as it takes them down a notch and gives us another night to work with and possibly extrapolate data from the interactions of the bussed player.
Which makes it more possible that Catte is town....good eye and thanks for making me think on that and see it in that light.

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GymHenson: Of course, i'm growing a bit tired of this game.....if I get close to hammer, who knows, I have half a mind to toss in the last vote so we can move to the afterparty.
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dedoporno: "And then THIS HAPPENED!!"
I meant hammering myself, if that wasn't apparent....and also: 1. It's half serious....said more out of frustration, really.

2. I am growing tired of this game a bit, and seemingly having my ideas tossed aside so much by fellow town.
(possibly due to some just discarding a good chunk of my ideas out of habit or not weighing them as plausible enough due to my prior style of play and game efforts)

(Bump needed maybe...depending on how fast I can type)
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Lifthrasil: @GH: yes, it would have been prudent for Town!Vitek to wait and see what you would do, if he suspected you. Just as it would have been prudent for Scum!Vitek to wait for Town!you to hammer to make you look bad. So either way Vitek's hammering was imprudent. Which makes it NAI.
Hmm, maybe Vitek is a third party that has a weird win condition that makes it beneficial for them to do what they did?

I dunno....or even if we have a third party.....but eh, something to consider.

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Lifthrasil: You constructing a case out of it looks quite arbitrary. Especially since your theory that Scum!Vitek wanted to protect you would make you Scum as well. Was that a slip? Or just nonsense?
My mind works in mysterious ways.....and that is one of the reasons I get disheartened sometimes while playing: What if my logic is weird but my guesses are right, and people are passing them by because "That GH and his crazy theories"?

I mean i've been trying more this game, and hardly anyone seems to be taking my ideas very seriously, or at least not very much(same as several other games).....kinda sucks the energy out of wanting to keep playing sometimes, tbh. :|

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Lifthrasil: stuff about catte
I so hope i'm right on Nmillar....if Nmillar gets to lynch and I find out later they were right on Catte I will be kicking myself to no end.

(No need for a bump this time...Micro's posts will take me a while to reply to o.0 :D)
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GymHenson: I so hope i'm right on Nmillar....if Nmillar gets to lynch and I find out later they were right on Catte I will be kicking myself to no end.
Right, I would love to address your concerns, but so far I haven't seen anything remotely sensible in your accusations against me. Of course, as I've been restricted to a mobile phone for the best part of 2 weeks, I may have missed stuff, so could you please list your (sensible) reasons for suspecting me? And no, being logged into a forum at approximately the same time is not a good reason.
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phaolo: Probably because it's the second time in this game I told people (townies) to not reveal breadcrumbs, unless they're sure about a possible meaning..
It just puts roles in danger and makes other townies incorrectly suspicious.

Gogtrial said there could be more complex cases pro-scum, but anyway.. we're probably at risk of losing, so IMO it's better to "spill the beans" at this point (if you have something useful to share?)
If we survive and you're town, your allusions probably already put a target on you in any case.
Well I have said before that I don't have anything that's useful right now and if I did I would have explained it already
There is still a possibility it could become useful tomorrow if left alone. Still, your vote is recorded.
Saw yer post, Nmillar.....will get to it in a bit once I do all other posts to get caught up:
(prolly be like a half hour or so)
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Microfish_1: I told you I listen to you! :-D
Yay! :D

(Btw another note/tip: no need to put a precautionary "not a vote" beneath any bolded line that doesn't have a player name in it, afaik)

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Microfish_1: (Trent iirc last game I played in talked about the benefit of moving people to a town core early on and then not moving them unless there was massive evidence against as this would reduce some of the confusion, and I tried that strategy this game).
I usually try to use a sliding scale myself....I slide people up or down the town or scum scales depending on things I note/notice.

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Microfish_1: yes, worth thinking about, but your aggressive pushiness early D3 rubbed my hackles the wrong way.
I was too passive in other games so I decided to become more aggressive in play style this game.

(Also I saw that many players keep "playing" till near deadline to do much of anything, then rushing at the last minute....so I have been trying to get the ball rolling a bit on the various "days")

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Microfish_1: Consider this--have you survived because you are scum, as I think enough to vote you?
Not scum, but actually am curious to find out why i've survived this long......oh well, hopefully it'll get cleared up at the end of the game.

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Microfish_1: Ah, I see. In the past you have had some reads that were not generally agreed upon, but your reads also tend to be far better than some others--that is one of the reasons I find this odd. You usually don't fixate on unusual things like time of posting unless you are scum trying desperately to find anything to stick.
Due to my memory issues, not so good ability at scum hunting like others, etc...I tend to fixate and focus on such "odd" things more than others likely would.

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Microfish_1: Don't lose heart! you make games funner to be in than they would be without you. Don't stop believing that we can win this! (Unless of course that was LAMIST on your part to say "idk if we can win this because MYLO" [paraphrased; please correct if I read your tone wrongly].
As said to a few players, I am disheartened that even with my trying a good amount this game, I still seem to somewhat have my ideas not weighted the same as others.....possibly due to my past playing style in these games.

Tbh, it kinda is why I semi-seriously contemplated hammering myself if I got close to lynch......partially because of other town seemingly not taking taking my reads and posts seriously enough, and in part due to how close we are to losing anyways.

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Microfish_1: If one is utterly convinced person X is scum, is it worth hammering to shut them up before they can sow more confusion?
Thing is, Vitek seemed/seems to suspect me as well.

Of course, due to Lift's post which I replied to recently, I am wondering: What if Vitek is third party? I mean otherwise it doesn't make much sense to me.

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Microfish_1: :O The potato chip & bologna one sounds yummy!
Offtopic: It is...well was, when I could chew it....sometimes I crumb up some chips and eat em with bologna to simulate it as close to that as possible, though.
(Cannot eat it the regular way now due to physical issues that make it hard to chew some things)
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my name is magike catte: If a majority of people want me to open this up then I'll do it, but if people are happy to go with this then there might still be some value. Just don't get too excited, I feel like I may have oversold myself by this point. :P
Tbh I didn't want you(if you are a town PR) to spill any beans any which where.....but we are at mylo and one wrong move could lose us the game, and any "beans" you have(raw or half cooked or whatever) might help us to tip the scales back in town's favor.

Plus if you are town PR(or just vanilla town, but scum still thinks you a PR) the scum team will likely off you N3(if town gets lucky and lynches scum today, D3, or for some weird reason ended in nolynch...basically if we got another "day" to play with) to prevent you from saying what you know later on.

That said I am all for a spilling of said beans, and afterwards perhaps we get to finding and lynching some scum as dessert. :)

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my name is magike catte: Well I have said before that I don't have anything that's useful right now and if I did I would have explained it already

There is still a possibility it could become useful tomorrow if left alone. Still, your vote is recorded.
There might not be a tomorrow for town, though, if we mess up again.

(Going to the loo and then will answer a few more misc things and such...brb)
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my name is magike catte: Well I have said before that I don't have anything that's useful right now and if I did I would have explained it already
There is still a possibility it could become useful tomorrow if left alone. Still, your vote is recorded.
No, I'm satisfied with the explanation, so no need to spill the beens just yet. Not letting you off the hook either though, but leaving it be for now.
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nmillar: Right, I would love to address your concerns, but so far I haven't seen anything remotely sensible in your accusations against me. Of course, as I've been restricted to a mobile phone for the best part of 2 weeks, I may have missed stuff, so could you please list your (sensible) reasons for suspecting me? And no, being logged into a forum at approximately the same time is not a good reason.
Your logic in this post, and your vote in Post 914.....they just don't seem to add up.

Also btw if yer town: you do get that if you're wrong that you just made it very easy for scum to lynch me quickly right?

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nmillar: No, I'm satisfied with the explanation, so no need to spill the beens just yet. Not letting you off the hook either though, but leaving it be for now.
Convenient that you're one of the few to not want Catte to do such....afraid (if he's town) that he'll spill something on yourself, or afraid (if he's scum with you) that he'll put his foot in his mouth somehow if he does "spill the beans"?

All the above read/noted, and with what i've noted or had hunches on you re: the past few "days":

I buy you being town now as much as monopoly money being legal tender.

Unvotus Vitek

Votus Nmillar


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(Note to all: Will be going to store for an hour...be back soon)