Sorries...got distracted by IRL and some deep thought in general....sorry for wasting the bump:
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Microfish_1: His whole argument "vitek is scum because he stole the hammer from me and you should count me as the hammerer" strikes me as LAMIST / scum distancing from their intended target who they had just tricked town into lunching.
To clarify:
I didn't suspect Vitek because he stole the hammer, but because he seemingly couldn't wait 10 minutes to see if i'd hammer first. By his posts he seemed/seems to be suspecting me to be scum....if that is the case, then why didn't he wait to see if i'd hammer first? He likely had the time to spare and was here at that time, so why not wait?
To me, the end of D2 posts and actions by Vitek makes little to no sense. I mean scum would want me to look worse, and would've likely let me hammer.....but maybe Vitek is scum trying some sort of trick and/or protecting other scum? Or is just a town who has incorrectly read me?
Gods, now i'm conflicted(on how to lean Vitek, that is).
Microfish_1: ....you are suspecting Lift, GH, catte, dedo, nmillar, Vitek.
why are you listing yourself as a suspect? Did you forget your role PM?
I didn't excluded myself as I figured most people would get that I wasn't including myself in that list. :)
Microfish_1: As to why Vitek couldn't wait... it's not for me to say... You would rather we would be scrutinizing you because *you* hammered?
You're looking at it from the wrong angle here: If Vitek is town
and suspects me, why wouldn't they wait the 10 minutes and see if my hammer claim was genuine or not?
That is the major bulk of what is confusing me about Vitek/end of D2.
Microfish_1: what has changed to when I last looked 6 hours ago when you are voting Lift?
My suspects list: Nmillar, Vitek, Catte, Dedo, Lift.
Lift is on the end of the list, and (if memory serves) I only voted for Vitek today(D3).
Microfish_1: I do appreciate GH noting who first came online, as sometimes scum pop straight outta scumchat into the thread, but that is at the start of the thread. Did anyone notice the time that they showed up (hours after Daystart?)
For that matter, how old was ZFR's post when GH or Phaolo showed?
I don't know exactly how soon after each daystart it was when they(Nmillar and Catte) came online, but it was not that many posts between OP's daystart post and theirs, and they were either right after one another or close to being so each of the two times.
As for me: I was online within a half hour to an hour of the one time, and several hours of the other.
Microfish_1: Huh? How did you get that impression? There's no point in being all emotional about it, and when i have been emotional about it, i got accused of being scum and--iirc--removed from the game over it.
Yes, we need to be careful who we lunch, but nothing about this post seems as damning to me as you seem to think it is.
As I said to others re how I notice things to suspect: that one thing isn't that odd on it's own, but once I start to suspect someone I scrutinize their posts a bit more, and some things stand out more as a result.
To me, Vitek seemed a bit "laid back" in that post....even with us so close to losing....to me, combined with the events of the end of D2, it just seemed "odd".
Microfish_1: Why this fixation? Did you not get the NK you wanted due to a bus driver etc, and are trying to shade the intended target? Are you trying to shade an intended target?
Even if you are town, this looks bad; like an over-eager scum trying to "get that last lunch so we can win."
I fixate on small things others might not, and I tend to tunnel on some players over others.....that's how I usually play.
Of course, take that fwiw(given I am not verified town).
Microfish_1: How do you equate this with your pushing for a mass claim? Doesn't an honest mass claim result in the PRs being leaked?
We are close to losing, so we might need such a risky gambit to win....also I feel the rewards vs risk might be worth it and might help us have more chance to win.
Microfish_1: Sidenote: You are playing differently than normal, so maybe you are scum? Maybe the scum team doesn't know what to do with the new-you, or townsfolk aren't voting you for putting your foot in your mouth (I have lots of experience at that action, as you know) because you haven't?
Changing up your playstyle, and then being disappointed when you aren't voted on, is...weird...
Maybe scum left you in the game because it was your birthday and that would be a cruel bday gift? I don't know, and it seems useless to contemplate, but almost LAMIST that you did?
I dunno.....but i'm not disappointed I haven't been lynched or NKd....just curious as to why either hasn't happened.
I mean am I close and they don't want people looking into my suspects and such? Or am I wide off the mark and focusing on the wrong players, and/or inadvertently/unwittingly helping them in some other way while i'm still in the game?
(well, i'll hopefully get to find out why at end of game, at least...until then I keep scratching my head)
Microfish_1: vote gymhenson
All i'm gonna say is: Yer off the mark...by a wide margin.
Of course, i'm growing a bit tired of this game.....if I get close to hammer, who knows, I have half a mind to toss in the last vote so we can move to the afterparty.
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Note to all: I am not 100% on this......it's more half serious.....but one does grow a bit tired when they put in effort and blunder[Trent on D1, almost Blotunga on D2] so much and also when it's like pulling teeth to get even a few to take one's ideas seriously or even entertain them more than beyond a passing thought.
Heck, if end of game comes & we lose & my suspects list bears some fruit, I have half a mind to chuckle a bit while saying "Told Ya so")
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