Yes, thanks. I was in the process of fixing that and adding something else, when I got the ping.

I know. I didn't think it through properly (admitted to it in post 964 too, but less directly).

i'm back, heading to bed practically now but i'm alive and well and hope to post more replies etc tomorrow

It can be "dangerous" if someone has fooled you into believing they are Town when they really are not, but that's why you have to be willing to listen to others if they have sound arguments about someone. Town core does not mean they are set in stone Town and it will never change. For me Town core is someone I believe stands a great chance at being Town and I need to focus my attention elsewhere.

@all Family is leaving later today and I will be more active once they do.

OK. Going back I see your argument. However, I'm not putting trent in my 'Town core'. Neither do I clear you on the level of Joe. Yes, you picked up on what he was doing and you said that you would participate in that angle, before Pooka put a stop to it. But you could have done so as scum. I know that I might have gambled on that as scum and we usually play quite similar. So I can't clear you fully. However, I do have you definitely leaning Town.

Also, since a decision has to be made at some point and an assumption with which to work, I would need quite some convincing to lynch anyone outside the already discussed suspicious three.

That is such a convoluted theory, that it should be clear that it can't be true. Unless you assume that Carradice is very stupid, which he isn't. Claiming Cop as Vanilla would be very bad play that can only hurt Town.

Exactly. You wanted ZFR's flip, instead of going for the more informational ones. I didn't say that you said "any flip". Who is twisting words now?

That, however, is a good question. A bolded vote hidden within a sentence looks a bit like an attempt at an 'accidental' vote.

I hope so. You're one of my main players of interest right now. The other one is missing completely.

@Yogsloth: are you still with us?

That's fair. It's perfectly possible from everyone-not-scum's perspective that Role Cop Carradice investigated that role, let me (and any other potential scum) know in the always-on scum chat and I made use of that information at the first possible opportunity. Although I do believe it would make a better defensive rather than offensive play. Anyway, if you're Town I do understand your unwillingness to trust me fully and won't hold it against you. Technically, from your perspective, you should't fully trust Joe either as we could be scum together and all of this could be carefully planned out in the always-on scum chat and acted out accordingly to the last detail. But it isn't and, again from your perspective, I think Joe can only be scum if I'm one as well (although I think the opposite isn't true, I think I could be scum while Joe can still be Town). At least that's how it looks to me while trying to put myself in other's shoes and look at things from their supposed perspectives.

Anyway, moving along.

Ha! I never realized this until now. This would have been funny if it was counted. I always rolled my eyes when someone went out of their way to announce that something they said wasn't an actual vote when it was obvious it wasn't but in this case it technically might have been a real vote. I don't think Pooka even noticed that hidden vote but even if he did what would have been the point of such a thing? That would only make any real difference if I was at L-1 and was hammered "by accident". As far as I remember I've never had more than one obvious vote going on so what would be the point of adding another one secretly? I don't think this was meant to be counted as a real vote as it makes no sense. But I do find it amusing as it went right past me. It's a nice catch.

What part exactly are you feeling smug about? And what excuse do you mean scum could have used to leave ZFR alive? Are you saying scum could have used the squabble to mislynch ZFR as extreme distancing/busing between ZFR and Carradice? If yes to this I think scum would have had a hard time getting ZFR lynched today, I know I wouldn't have voted him.

Hi everybody, on vacation in the back woods of North Carolina... or "Krypsyn Country" as I like to think of it

I'll be much more involved about, oh, Wednesday or so.

Lovely country out here, brutally hot and homid, relentlessly so. I'm so used to living in a desert, humidity makes my whole body feel like I'm turning into mush

Joe and dedo are scum btw

I'll try and hop on the next couple of days but I have lots of family stuff going on, so we'll see

wait, dedo had that BS with the PM checking right

lol


whatever, I'll figure it out in a few days :)

oh btw, big thumbs up to Carradice and scum team for the Town Cop claim

balls

total balls

lol

Just make sure it's not Friday or so.

I'll just quote North Carolina's motto:

Heh.

@dedo: of course, you're right. With the Daychat it would be possible for you and Joe to be scum together. And I guess you would totally point that out even if you were scum. But as I said, I'll work on the assumption that you are Town for now.

What reason do you have for this assumption?


All in all this game isn't more active than the end of the last Day was. Where is everyone? Is it still the 4-th of July in the US? Is time running so slow over there? Over here we already have the 6-th of July!

Good. That's good, I'll have a look.

Of course, Trent has that thing where he says "if someone is acting scummy I will vote for them, whether I'm town or mafia."

Still, I've gone off the mafia Trent theory a little.


Sorry.

Derpclear is a rather pleasing term for when someone makes a mistake which a mafia would not make - either because they would know the rules of their faction ("without daychat mafia couldn't have co-ordinated that" "mafia do have daychat" "oh")
or something that the mafia would be expected to be more cautious about (perhaps yogsloth making assumptions about what happens when the day ends with a tie would be considered for derpclear... on the one hand yogsloth would probably make that mistake as either team - on the other it's likely that the mafia would have talked about the unusual voting mechanics in the scumchat..? hmmm)

If the derp doesn't ferp we must aquerp is just nonsense.

I can't remember what the 'derp' I thought you'd made was, but it looks like, since carradice was mafia, it doesn't ferp anyway.



lift no!



I meant, if I'd have said my theory about "ZFR and carradice could be scums who got into a confrontation then couldn't back down" the mafia might have been tempted to leave ZFR alive so we have the whole "why is ZFR alive when he's basically cleared by going after the mafia since the beginning?" and get him lynched that way. Not necessarily today.

SO I feel smug because I imagined a future situation "if carradice flips mafia zfr is sure to be the nightkill, which will clear your doubts"
"unless you give them a reason to leave him alive"
so I didn't give them the reason and it fell out as I imagined it might, with the bonus of ZFR being vanilla.

So I'm like "that was me. I did that [smug smug smug]"


what's undeserved? who keeps saying that?



Nothing's happened to change my mind

Vote microfish

It's got to be him.

oh yes, I meant to apologise for being missing, sorry. my weekend was unexpectedly busy.

No what?

Spoken like true mafia who killed ZFR.

I absolutely would, yes.

Good.


I suppose but I also doubt he'll just bus a buddy right out of the gate and never back off like that. At least that's my opinion and I'm basing my logic on it.

Who do you believe would be his buddy assuming there is a third one?